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Well its a bit comical question in Javaranch,

I work in a software company in India, day in and day out iam very bored to work. Reluctant to learn the new technologies, i could not understand our Project architechture, waiting for friday from the first hour of Monday.. what's worse, I work on java and have finished SCJP and SCWCD.

I never liked to code.. just dont know what alternative can i take up to earn this much money.. .. How many of you ever felt this... ?
 
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Try becoming a manager. Then you can earn more,need not to do coding.
Till then keep coding
 
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Originally posted by Selvakumar Kumar:
Well its a bit comical question in Javaranch,

I work in a software company in India, day in and day out iam very bored to work. Reluctant to learn the new technologies, i could not understand our Project architechture, waiting for friday from the first hour of Monday.. what's worse, I work on java and have finished SCJP and SCWCD.

I never liked to code.. just dont know what alternative can i take up to earn this much money.. .. How many of you ever felt this... ?



If you are not happy from within, you will not be happy with anything outside. Break your daily routing and try something new. Join gym, learn cooking, go for vacation, learn guitar or something else,...
 
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What about business development ?

You don't code, you let others code what you have in mind

Have a nice day,
 
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Looks like you are stuck. Try read 'What color is your parachute'. It is a job/career book.

It helps you on these situations by finding what you really want, and going for it.
 
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I never liked to code.. just dont know what alternative can i take up to earn this much money.




As others have stated, and as you are starting to realize... No money is worth doing a job you don't like. Get out, while you still have your health -- the stress, aggravation, and other pressures related to doing something that you don't like is going to get to you.

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Probably I'll suggest you to become a lawyer (I don't know how much doctors make in your country, but lawyers make money everywhere!). Software development is horrible if you don't like it.
 
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Originally posted by Chetan Parekh:
If you are not happy from within, you will not be happy with anything outside.



What he said.

Find what you want to do, do it. You will be happier, and you will do a better job, and then your PHB will reward you.

Never stay at a job because someone else says that it makes big money.
Life is too short.
 
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After growing up watching my parents (both software developers) moan constantly about how crappy their jobs were, I promised myself I wouldnt let myself get into a career in IT.

I failed..... after a year of post-graduate unemployment and the associated poverty that comes with that, I buckled and jumped onto the IT career treadmill...

..and now after 10 years I find myself living in a world of self-loathing for 40hours a week. If I could find **any** way of staying financialy above water without working in IT, then I'd be doing it....

Good luck!!!
 
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Originally posted by Pat Farrell:


What he said.

Find what you want to do, do it. You will be happier, and you will do a better job, and then your PHB will reward you.

Never stay at a job because someone else says that it makes big money.
Life is too short.



What's PHB?
 
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Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:


What's PHB?



PHB
 
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Never stay at a job because someone else says that it makes big money.
Life is too short.


Couldn't agree more
 
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Originally posted by Gabriel Claramunt:
Probably I'll suggest you to become a lawyer (I don't know how much doctors make in your country, but lawyers make money everywhere!). Software development is horrible if you don't like it.



That's not true. Law is different in each state as the accounting system is. I chose software development because I don't need anything except computer and this can be done everywhere. Jobs like accountant, laywer etc. are country-dependent positions.
 
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Originally posted by Gabriel Claramunt:
Probably I'll suggest you to become a lawyer (I don't know how much doctors make in your country, but lawyers make money everywhere!). Software development is horrible if you don't like it.



That's not true. Law is different in each state as the accounting system is. I chose software development because I don't need anything except computer and this can be done everywhere. Jobs like accountant, laywer etc. are country-dependent positions.
 
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Never stay at a job because someone else says that it makes big money.
Life is too short.



Ideally speaking , very true.
But how many of us got into programming out of pure interest . May be a few of us did , but that would most probably be only a minority . The Java "virus" spread so rapidly that people got into programming as a default choice.

Moreover , unlike the present day , pursuiting an alternative or an unconventional career was never seen as an option when I graduated.
(5 years back) . Default was just I.T.

[ February 20, 2008: Message edited by: Shankar Iyer ]

[ February 20, 2008: Message edited by: Shankar Iyer ]
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Originally posted by Shankar Iyer:


Ideally speaking , very true.
But how many of us got into programming out of pure interest . May be a few of us did , but that would most probably be only a minority . The Java "virus" spread so rapidly that people got into programming as a default choice.

Moreover , unlike the present day , pursuiting an alternative or an unconventional career was never seen as an option when I graduated.
(5 years back) . Default was just I.T.



Agree!
 
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... Default was just I.T.



Absolutely - Of the people I graduated from uni with, there are a handful who managed not to end up working in IT, but only those who were really driven and motivated, preferably with a clear goal managed to achieve this. Everyone else eventually ran out of credit and needed a job... so in the early 90's in South East of England - that meant getting into IT.

..and just so we're clear here - I'm not talking about IT graduates - obviously they had no choice, but those with degrees in History, English Literature, Music, Mathematics, International Relations, Psychology etc etc - you name it, No matter what your degree discipline was in the early 90's in the UK you had to work VERY VERY hard indeed not to end up working in IT!!!

Perhaps thats why there are so many bitter, twisted, alienated 30-something software developers out there?
 
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I would also add that most of us picked I.T for its 'safety' factor. It seems that the one thing the education system really stresses is 'job security' over things like independence. Perhaps why we are never really taught about how to become wealthy investors and entrepreneurs right from our school days but instead how to become good workers(read mules).
 
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Originally posted by Arvind Birla:
I would also add that most of us picked I.T for its 'safety' factor.

Well, if one picks a job for security foremost (instead of personal interest) one can't really complain about it not being interesting. (Of course, IT jobs are anything but secure.)

But you may be talking about circumstances I'm not familiar with, because this:

It seems that the one thing the education system really stresses is 'job security' over things like independence.


is far from describing education systems I went through. I don't recall ever being advised to pick a job based on whether it provided long-term security over satisfying my interests.
 
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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:

is far from describing education systems I went through. I don't recall ever being advised to pick a job based on whether it provided long-term security over satisfying my interests.



The word 'job' is key here. The point I was trying to make is that this is all the education allows or probably wants us to be. Employees. It never tries to teach us about owning our own business or investing on our own. It imparts us skills like math, science, history etc . All good skills to have to be a good employee, but never business skills like entrepreneurship, Investing, or other important skills like sales, leadership, negotiations etc. It seems that traditional schools will become less and less relevant to those seeking financial success in their lives. Little surprise that the High School dropout team in the Show 'The Apprentice' was called 'Net Worth'.
Basically I believe there are 2 types of people, one that fulfills his own dream and another who helps another fulfill his dreams. The Education system always raises us in a way to be the latter.
 
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The Education system always raises us in a way to be the latter.



I couldn't disagree more, maybe in a difference in where I was involved in higher education, I don't know. However I believe the university system encourages you to do what you find interesting. There where we get History majors focusing on Ancient History working in IT. There just aren't that many jobs in that arena - some degrees about the only direct use is to also teach.

This is not a put down to those degrees. However I feel IT would be a much better place if the majority of the people involved actually liked what they did. Sadly this is not the case. I love programming, however the lack of technology knowledge of those around me, the endless meetings, and gantts charts are driving me away from it. What I love has been corrupted and it saddens me.
 
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Originally posted by Alan Wanwierd:


Absolutely - Of the people I graduated from uni with, there are a handful who managed not to end up working in IT, but only those who were really driven and motivated, preferably with a clear goal managed to achieve this. Everyone else eventually ran out of credit and needed a job... so in the early 90's in South East of England - that meant getting into IT.

..and just so we're clear here - I'm not talking about IT graduates - obviously they had no choice, but those with degrees in History, English Literature, Music, Mathematics, International Relations, Psychology etc etc - you name it, No matter what your degree discipline was in the early 90's in the UK you had to work VERY VERY hard indeed not to end up working in IT!!!

Perhaps thats why there are so many bitter, twisted, alienated 30-something software developers out there?



You are right. When I graduated in 1993, I went straight to this hole.

However, even if I still have to check myself now on what I really want to do, I think I would still be doing what I am happy with, which is definitely not that far from what I am doing now. Well of course, the reason is, I am a nerd, and I like logic.

It still gets me everytime my java program compiles successfully.

So until I lose that feeling....Ill keep on punching on it.
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Well, making money is one of many goals and a valid one... (for that I would recommend going to a business school).
In my case, I love to create software... the fact I can get paid (well or barely) enough for that means I don't need to do stuff I don't like to live.
Of course, you always need initiative and business sense, but "money isn't everything" (yeah, sound horribly cliche, sorry )
Guess what I'm trying to say is: do what you really like and you will be in the road to fulfilling your dreams (and yes, is better if you find somebody else to help you by paying for it! )

Originally posted by Arvind Birla:


The word 'job' is key here. The point I was trying to make is that this is all the education allows or probably wants us to be. Employees. It never tries to teach us about owning our own business or investing on our own. It imparts us skills like math, science, history etc . All good skills to have to be a good employee, but never business skills like entrepreneurship, Investing, or other important skills like sales, leadership, negotiations etc. It seems that traditional schools will become less and less relevant to those seeking financial success in their lives. Little surprise that the High School dropout team in the Show 'The Apprentice' was called 'Net Worth'.
Basically I believe there are 2 types of people, one that fulfills his own dream and another who helps another fulfill his dreams. The Education system always raises us in a way to be the latter.

 
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Originally posted by Arvind Birla:
I would also add that most of us picked I.T for its 'safety' factor. It seems that the one thing the education system really stresses is 'job security' over things like independence. Perhaps why we are never really taught about how to become wealthy investors and entrepreneurs right from our school days but instead how to become good workers(read mules).



Can you explain what you mean by 'safety' on I.T.?

As far as I am concerned, youre IT skills is easy to get obsolete just like 80x486 was just yesterday.

Also, if you are taking IT courses, you want the educational system to focus on making money?
 
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It might be misinterpreted what I am saying. When I make the distinction between those who fulfill and live their own dream and those who fulfill others, I mean that the guy that we diligently wake up and go to work for every morning has his dream being fulfilled while while we are the ones doing it. I like programming too but I would rather that the effort I put into a day to day basis first and foremost benefits me. Otherwise this is the very definition of a mule.

And when I talk about money, what I really mean is financial freedom. When any of us might wander if this career is the right one for us or not, we cannot just stop working or go into something else, thats usually the freedom and options one gets with having money. I also do think that the education system has a responsibility to teach about money and investing. So many hardworking people end up in debt these days, the answer must be because of lack of financial education.

I think its silly that we spend our entire lives working for money and then pretend that it isn't the most important thing in the world. I believe it even defines the quality of our most personal relationships at some levels. This is where our education system falters. I remember being taught about robin hood and his men about how he would steal er...Take from the Rich and give to the poor. It seems that the education system is so anti capitalist and pro-socialist in its outlook and world view that it tries to embed those same socialist values in all its disciples. It tries to tell us stuff like "Money is the root of all evil", but never the reverse that the "lack of money being the root of all evil". or my favorite "Its your health thats the most important", what it doesn't tell you is that without money you will never be able to afford the best health care and if you are in a 3rd world country then little or no health care.It deludes us into believing that we all must 'work' and work hard for a living. Its the only way to live after all.
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Money isn't the root of all evil. That's a common misquote of the Christian Bible. For the love of money...

The love of money could, for instance, make a person bitter at his employer for making a profit off of his labor.

Money can do plenty of good things, but it is not worth living for.
 
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Originally posted by Marc Peabody:
Money isn't the root of all evil. That's a common misquote of the Christian Bible. For the love of money...
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I liked this quote from the same wikipedia article:

"Lack of money is the root of all evil" - George Bernard Shaw


 
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Originally posted by Gabriel Claramunt:

"Lack of money is the root of all evil" - George Bernard Shaw



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