Passed Part I of SCEA 5 with 96% - invite advice for parts 2 and 3
P Das
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posted 7 years ago
Passed the part I of the exam; there was some hitch with my name having been mis-spelt; cooling my heels over the assignment after having submitted the 'Quotation' for part 2. Sun does not respond.
Going through some of my own architectures that I had done for clients. Can some experienced people give advice on the following?
1) What exactly I need to do in respect of part 2? Only give a few UML diagrams (Class, Component, Package, Sequence)? It appears so from one post around 2003. However, things might have changed now.
2) What is the level of detail required in part 2?
3) How to expedite Sun's sending me links (or some other instrumentality) to register for part 2, pay required fees, and download assignment?
En passant: the questions were quite easy: not lengthy and only thing needed was to keep cool and time for revision.
Cache: The drag and drop questions suck: you cannot place the pieces quickly. I had wasted a lot of time on them and there I lost marks, presumably.
Going through some of my own architectures that I had done for clients. Can some experienced people give advice on the following?
1) What exactly I need to do in respect of part 2? Only give a few UML diagrams (Class, Component, Package, Sequence)? It appears so from one post around 2003. However, things might have changed now.
2) What is the level of detail required in part 2?
3) How to expedite Sun's sending me links (or some other instrumentality) to register for part 2, pay required fees, and download assignment?
En passant: the questions were quite easy: not lengthy and only thing needed was to keep cool and time for revision.
Cache: The drag and drop questions suck: you cannot place the pieces quickly. I had wasted a lot of time on them and there I lost marks, presumably.
Pranab Das, PMP, SCEA
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posted 7 years ago
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P Das
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posted 7 years ago
Sure; first thing is to look up in this blog site for SCEA resources. Then take your own time to familiarize with them, which should ideally be complemented by your work experience, which was my case.
The questions were not difficult at all, except the d-n-d ones: they were not difficult by content but by their stubborn ways to slip back to their original place even after repeated attempts. Another difficulty is that the test center would refuse to give you paper. So be wary.
The questions were not difficult at all, except the d-n-d ones: they were not difficult by content but by their stubborn ways to slip back to their original place even after repeated attempts. Another difficulty is that the test center would refuse to give you paper. So be wary.
Pranab Das, PMP, SCEA
SaritaN Gupta
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posted 7 years ago
Thanks for the input, Das. Really appreciate it.
I have been doing it, getting the feel of it from SCEA forum and also collect the reference material.It gets
after a while, coz of the numerous resources for the study material.
Would you be kind enough to post what reference material you used? I am sure it's your grey matter more than the contents in the books
but still it would be helpful to get to a single point start.
I have been doing it, getting the feel of it from SCEA forum and also collect the reference material.It gets
after a while, coz of the numerous resources for the study material.
Would you be kind enough to post what reference material you used? I am sure it's your grey matter more than the contents in the books
but still it would be helpful to get to a single point start.
P Das
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posted 7 years ago
Glad to offer any kind of assistance that could possibly of help.
First, you need to plan various aspects: EJB 2.x + 3.0 (useful only for SCEA 5, until, say, 10/2010); Patterns (GoF, J2EE, which is a misnomer, they should change it to JEE patterns, Enterprise Integration, Security, Anti-patterns, and basic principles like Liskov etc.), Messaging, Architecture, etc.
Now you know, from your experience as a JEE Architect or Senior developer, how you have come across situations and used patterns to resolve them. For example, Value List Handler is often used to make fast queries possible. Try bridging the gap between your experience and the study material. Then it would be much more effective that keeping them in separate compartments, in my humble opinion.
Last thing you could do is to accustom yourself to the test by taking some mock tests; however, I cannot recommend any. Probably, it would be ok for those who are more experienced to publish some mock questions through this forum. I invite opinions from the Sheriff of this thread before attempting to do so. However, this would be better if one exercises self discipline since one is not allowed to disclose the contents of the real SCEA test. If my proposal is accepted, Javaranch could help many certification aspirants.
First, you need to plan various aspects: EJB 2.x + 3.0 (useful only for SCEA 5, until, say, 10/2010); Patterns (GoF, J2EE, which is a misnomer, they should change it to JEE patterns, Enterprise Integration, Security, Anti-patterns, and basic principles like Liskov etc.), Messaging, Architecture, etc.
Now you know, from your experience as a JEE Architect or Senior developer, how you have come across situations and used patterns to resolve them. For example, Value List Handler is often used to make fast queries possible. Try bridging the gap between your experience and the study material. Then it would be much more effective that keeping them in separate compartments, in my humble opinion.
Last thing you could do is to accustom yourself to the test by taking some mock tests; however, I cannot recommend any. Probably, it would be ok for those who are more experienced to publish some mock questions through this forum. I invite opinions from the Sheriff of this thread before attempting to do so. However, this would be better if one exercises self discipline since one is not allowed to disclose the contents of the real SCEA test. If my proposal is accepted, Javaranch could help many certification aspirants.
Pranab Das, PMP, SCEA
Rahul Mishra
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posted 7 years ago
Thanks for your inputs.
However, you left me with a curiosity when you said...J2EE patterns is a misnomer...and they actually include Enterprise Integration Patterns, Security Patterns,etc...
Are you emphasizing that one needs to be conversant with the EAI patterns as documented by Martin Fowler ( i know the J2EE patterns make references to them in the related patterns section but there is so much more to EAI patterns), additionally for SecurityPatterns..would you recommend a read of CoreSecurityPatterns for Part 1?
Thanks
However, you left me with a curiosity when you said...J2EE patterns is a misnomer...and they actually include Enterprise Integration Patterns, Security Patterns,etc...
Are you emphasizing that one needs to be conversant with the EAI patterns as documented by Martin Fowler ( i know the J2EE patterns make references to them in the related patterns section but there is so much more to EAI patterns), additionally for SecurityPatterns..would you recommend a read of CoreSecurityPatterns for Part 1?
Thanks
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Juan Pablo Crossley
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posted 7 years ago
Great job P Das, the important thing about the second part it's to put the level required to explain the solution of the problem, if you put too much detail the solution will be hard to understand, don't forget to include patterns references and things like that, that will clean your designs and will let the examiner to understand what you are explaining,
Just ask yourself, am I going into too much detail? is this really helping the design or is distracting from the main solution? as somebody else said... practice the KISS method.
P Das wrote:Passed the part I of the exam; there was some hitch with my name having been mis-spelt; cooling my heels over the assignment after having submitted the 'Quotation' for part 2. Sun does not respond.
Going through some of my own architectures that I had done for clients. Can some experienced people give advice on the following?
1) What exactly I need to do in respect of part 2? Only give a few UML diagrams (Class, Component, Package, Sequence)? It appears so from one post around 2003. However, things might have changed now.
2) What is the level of detail required in part 2?
3) How to expedite Sun's sending me links (or some other instrumentality) to register for part 2, pay required fees, and download assignment?
En passant: the questions were quite easy: not lengthy and only thing needed was to keep cool and time for revision.
Cache: The drag and drop questions suck: you cannot place the pieces quickly. I had wasted a lot of time on them and there I lost marks, presumably.
Great job P Das, the important thing about the second part it's to put the level required to explain the solution of the problem, if you put too much detail the solution will be hard to understand, don't forget to include patterns references and things like that, that will clean your designs and will let the examiner to understand what you are explaining,
Just ask yourself, am I going into too much detail? is this really helping the design or is distracting from the main solution? as somebody else said... practice the KISS method.
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P Das
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posted 7 years ago
Hi Pablo,
Great! I was really a bit confused; your guidance is appreciated.
For some others:
1) EAI patterns like Guaranteed Delivery are so pervasive that we have to deal with them day in and day out: a certification aspirant can hardly ignore them. Same thing with Security and other (anti) patterns. IMHO, if you wait more, the exam will be more inclusive (and tougher), since I heard that earlier SCEA was confined to only GoF patterns and simpler in many ways.
2) I don't know too many books on JSF; hope, someone else could help.
3) I am sorry about Mikhail's notes; can someone help uploading it somewhere (e.g. with google docs) and providing a public link through this forum, which could benefit many, even if they don't go for certification. Are they not available now? Hope, there is no voilation on distributing those notes, which drew heavily on other standard material in form and content, while being a one stop shop for many topics.
3) I do not know if I can talk about the weight of different topics in SCEA exam openly. Probably, someone from Sun, who is also member of this forum can take this up.
Regards
Great! I was really a bit confused; your guidance is appreciated.
For some others:
1) EAI patterns like Guaranteed Delivery are so pervasive that we have to deal with them day in and day out: a certification aspirant can hardly ignore them. Same thing with Security and other (anti) patterns. IMHO, if you wait more, the exam will be more inclusive (and tougher), since I heard that earlier SCEA was confined to only GoF patterns and simpler in many ways.
2) I don't know too many books on JSF; hope, someone else could help.
3) I am sorry about Mikhail's notes; can someone help uploading it somewhere (e.g. with google docs) and providing a public link through this forum, which could benefit many, even if they don't go for certification. Are they not available now? Hope, there is no voilation on distributing those notes, which drew heavily on other standard material in form and content, while being a one stop shop for many topics.
3) I do not know if I can talk about the weight of different topics in SCEA exam openly. Probably, someone from Sun, who is also member of this forum can take this up.
Regards
Pranab Das, PMP, SCEA
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