I'd like to know if you would hire a person (as an Architect) which has passed SCEA exams, but this person has no experience as a Java Architect.
I might. It would depend if the rate was negotiable.
I've (as I guess most people) have been in the situation where I don't have experience in a field and this stops me getting the jobs that would get me the experience.
I remember trying to break into J2EE. I went for interviews (and often didn't get that far) where I was rejected for having "no J2EE experience". I eventually found an employer who recognised that I was self motivated (I'd recently passed SCJP off my own back), and that I was willing to be negotiable on rate. I remember being in the interview, and saying "I don't have J2EE experience although I am already studying it, but most jobs require you to have J2EE experience already, and I'm just looking for someone to give me that break". I took a lesser salary, but within a year had passed SCWCD and was a useful member of their development team.
For me, at the time, offsetting the salary for the chance of experience and development was worth it. You'll have to weigh that one up for yourself!
Hope that helps,
And of course an employer would definitely prefer someone with no experience and a certificate over someone with no experience and no certificate
Gotta disagree with that. There are lots of companies in sizable labor markets that put no value whatsoever in such certificates. In fact, occasionally, they're drawbacks - hiring managers wonder why someone with relevant education and experience would bother with certificates. Not a frequent occurrence, but it does happen.
The point of the SCEA, of course, is that it's meant for professionals with a fair amount of experience, so it's not something a freshly minted college graduate would pursue.
Maneesh Godbole wrote:Working as an architect having only the certification is like driving a car having only read the instruction manual.
Would you let such a person drive your Porsche?
Wrong. Reading the instruction material of the car is not the same as having a driving license, and having a license can be compared to having a certificate. So technically you can trust Porsche to a person who just got his licence. In fact you can even trust him more knowing that he will not be overspeeding, afraid to break the rules he just learned ;)
Ulf Dittmer wrote:In fact, occasionally, they're drawbacks - hiring managers wonder why someone with relevant education and experience would bother with certificates. Not a frequent occurrence, but it does happen.
I wonder what company or hiring manager would have such a thing on his/her mind. Even if there is someone like this, I am sure you would not want to work for them, because they would be a complete career-blocker for you. If (s)he thinks certificates have no value, and "educated" person would not bother with them, it means the person does not understand the whole issue behind industry certifications, so this is the type of person who believes (s)he is smarter than everyone and knows things better than everyone. And we all know how such people end up...
Of course this is for the people that (like me) think you need coding skills to be a good architect.
Regarding the value of certifications ... my current employer sees them as just theoretical .. that is having no practical relevance(so unfortunately there is no reimbursement for now) ..but for SCEA I disagree , you need to actually think about implementing a solution and have that solution checked (part I might be for beginners but the rest is not) it's just that you need to convince the hiring manager about that.
Even with SCEA passed people look at architects as people with at least 10 years experience (the SCEA recommended experience) and plenty of implemented solutions so they will not hurry to hire a guy with 4 years experience as an architect even if the guy really is brilliant and passed his SCEA with flying colors.
Some people keeping and telling like we have 10+ years of J2EE experiance.
now 2010 , is in 2000 J2EE has that much expertise , to crack a chance to import Industry architechs?
I have seen one resume he mentioned like that he has 15 + years of experiance in Java, J2EE.
java switches in 1995 in Labs? . Is his experiance is correct? Or everybody who keeps 15+ years
of experiance comming from SUN Labs?
The Truth is : The Person who involved effectively in various J2EE projects , can able to think
a solution to new Occuring Real time scenarious.
And Experiance(4 to 6 years) + Certification is Good to face any challenges in Technically and
The core difference for me will be I am ditching the PMP for a Six Sigma Black Belt, keeping the CITA and anding an MBA -- when the time comes