Greg Bag wrote: what makes someone a good client coder? Knowing xhtml, css, javascript, jquery, and ajax?
Greg Bag wrote:also, for server-side, there is so many damn frameworks. Do you think that knowing servlet, jsp, spring, and hibernate will give you enough of a base to get a decent paying EE job?
What about Struts, Stripes, and all those other frameworks?
When you were 22, were you confused on what you wanted to do also?
Do you think I should continue with JSF?
Bear Bibeault wrote:
Greg Bag wrote:also, for server-side, there is so many damn frameworks. Do you think that knowing servlet, jsp, spring, and hibernate will give you enough of a base to get a decent paying EE job?
For me, experience with any single framework is usually enough. I'm more interested if someone understands the important concepts than which particular framework they've used.
What about Struts, Stripes, and all those other frameworks?
(All my opinion) Struts is on the wane. Stripes, Grails, and Play are all cool, but really niche players.
When you were 22, were you confused on what you wanted to do also?
When I was 22 I was just starting my first real job: with DEC writing memory diagnostics for the PDP11/44. That was a long long time ago...
Do you think I should continue with JSF?
I'm definitely the wrong person to ask about JSF, which I think is an abomination that needs to be excised from the face of the Earth like a malignant cancer.
I'm definitely the wrong person to ask about JSF, which I think is an abomination that needs to be excised from the face of the Earth like a malignant cancer.
I find it difficult to find a job in web especially if you have no experience
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Greg Bag wrote:
I find it difficult to find a job in web especially if you have no experience.
Greg Bag wrote:
I also don't find many J2EE internships.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Server-side coders are easy to find. Client-side coders (at least really good ones) are a tad harder to find. Coders who can straddle both the client and server side are rare and in demand.
Bear Bibeault wrote:
Client-side coders (at least really good ones) are a tad harder to find.
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True, the job ads reflect exactly that. To get experience i need a job/internship and to get a job you need experience - well generally. If i dont get a job, then how do i get experience ?
As a fresher, how do i prove myself ? How do i get that crucial break ? (work for free for 1year perhaps ? few people refuse freebies)
Sorry to interrupt with a newbie question. Please tell me if :
1-server side is the beans, jsp etc ? Anything else ?
2-client side is basically the UI - like html, css ?
Please correct me if i am wrong.
Rahul Sudip Bose wrote:
Bear Bibeault wrote:
Client-side coders (at least really good ones) are a tad harder to find.
Why do you say so ? Is it because it is very difficult ?
Greg Bag wrote:This is my view on it. I'f I'm incorrect, I hope someone corrects me.
what's wrong with JSF?Bear Bibeault wrote:Roll your eyes if you like, I am entitled to my informed opinion.
Thanks, leo
Greg Bag wrote:Hey guys I'm kind of confused on what to learn next. As in, what J2EE technology should I be learning next. My main purpose is for marketability and finding jobs.
I know Servlets, JSP, JDBC
Greg Bag wrote:Examples of server-side techs: PHP, J2EE, ASP.NET, etc etc.
Pat Farrell wrote:Servlets have been in production use for a decade, no sizzle left.
Thanks, leo
leo donahue wrote:Blasphemy!
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Perhaps because Pat is correct?
Thanks, leo
leo donahue wrote:Now are you telling me that you leave JSP and Servlets off your resume
just having Servlets and JSP on a resume isn't enough these days.
... but no one will get a job just because they put the magic keyword "servlets" on their resume.
Thanks, leo
Thanks, leo
And as I have said, I have no idea how anyone could read "don't put servlets on your resume" into that.leo donahue wrote:What I read from Pat ...
Bear Bibeault wrote:And as I have said... I have no idea how anyone could read "don't put servlets on your resume" into that.
Thanks, leo
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