Win a copy of Programming with Types this week in the Angular and TypeScript forum
or The Design of Web APIs in the Web Services forum!
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
programming forums Java Mobile Certification Databases Caching Books Engineering Micro Controllers OS Languages Paradigms IDEs Build Tools Frameworks Application Servers Open Source This Site Careers Other all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
Marshals:
  • Campbell Ritchie
  • Liutauras Vilda
  • Bear Bibeault
  • Paul Clapham
  • Jeanne Boyarsky
Sheriffs:
  • Junilu Lacar
  • Knute Snortum
  • Henry Wong
Saloon Keepers:
  • Ron McLeod
  • Tim Moores
  • Stephan van Hulst
  • Tim Holloway
  • Carey Brown
Bartenders:
  • Frits Walraven
  • Joe Ess
  • salvin francis

Organic

 
Bartender
Posts: 6663
5
MyEclipse IDE Firefox Browser Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Neat experiment this



Paul,

A link to this on your permies site might be relevant.
 
author and iconoclast
Posts: 24203
43
Mac OS X Eclipse IDE Chrome
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Wow, that stuff is horrible; Google it and look at the MSDS. OK, fine, buying organic from now on.
 
Trailboss
Posts: 23073
IntelliJ IDE Firefox Browser Java
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
We've linked to it several times at permies now.

Just think: that is just one chemical out of hundreds. Most of the stuff I'm working on is about how even "organic" is kinda lame.

How come your youtube thingie didn't work?

 
Ernest Friedman-Hill
author and iconoclast
Posts: 24203
43
Mac OS X Eclipse IDE Chrome
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

paul wheaton wrote:
How come your youtube thingie didn't work?



There were extra spaces inside the tag.
 
Rancher
Posts: 4686
7
Mac OS X VI Editor Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

paul wheaton wrote:Most of the stuff I'm working on is about how even "organic" is kinda lame.


Yes, "organic" is a stupid word. First, its a perfectly good word with a well defined meaning that was misused in the 1940s or so to mean something completely different. Then, the term, even as used by the tree huggers, is meaningless -- too vague to help anyone make informed decisions. Its purely a marketing buzzword that spawns confusion and jacks up prices.

We need a new word, one that is coined for what we want it to mean.

This, of course, assumes we know what we want our new "organic" word to mean. And I haven't seen anyone even propose a good definition.

On a personal note, since the early years of this century, I have had to eat a gluten free diet. The bad news is that gluten is in d*** near every bit of commercially prepared food. The good news is that I'm eating (thanks to my wonderful wife) a lot of home made food made with fresh ingredients. Its much less convenient, but it has to be better for my body.

 
paul wheaton
Trailboss
Posts: 23073
IntelliJ IDE Firefox Browser Java
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Although the word has had previous definitions, that isn't stopping folks from squeezing more out of it, and, thus, leading to a variety of confusion.

It is not a purely marketing buzzword. The USDA has strict definitions.

A group is putting something together under the label of AgriTrue which may be a big help.

 
Pat Farrell
Rancher
Posts: 4686
7
Mac OS X VI Editor Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

paul wheaton wrote:It is not a purely marketing buzzword. The USDA has strict definitions.


Your definition of "strict" is clearly not the same as mine.

The USDA does have a definition, but its pitifully weak.

Since this is MD, I assume you won't be trying to tell me that the FDA cares about food. Its only the first word in their name. Sigh.
 
paul wheaton
Trailboss
Posts: 23073
IntelliJ IDE Firefox Browser Java
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
And again, a word that can mean so many things in this context: "weak".

I agree that the standard is ... a low bar. But, at the same time, having a crop get certified as organic can be a long, painful and expensive process.

I find that the FDA and USDA are supposed to be acting in the interests of the people. But instead they seem to work in the interests of a few large corporations, often making choices that favor those corporations over the health/interests of the people.



 
I'm so happy! And I wish to make this tiny ad happy too:
Java file APIs (DOC, XLS, PDF, and many more)
https://products.aspose.com/total/java
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!