“Don’t worry if it doesn’t work right. If everything did, you’d be out of a job.” (Mosher's Law of Software Engineering)
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john price wrote: Java seems like a technology no one wants to use
Bear Bibeault wrote:
john price wrote: Java seems like a technology no one wants to use
You need to get out more.
“Don’t worry if it doesn’t work right. If everything did, you’d be out of a job.” (Mosher's Law of Software Engineering)
“If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.” (Edsger Dijkstra)
john price wrote:All my coding friends do not use Java.
I would like to see client examples, not server examples.
and people seem to not like it all that much
- even users
... Most users complain about it's slowness, which will be improved as years go by...
“Don’t worry if it doesn’t work right. If everything did, you’d be out of a job.” (Mosher's Law of Software Engineering)
“If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.” (Edsger Dijkstra)
john price wrote:which strengthens my point - people don't use Java for client programs.
“Don’t worry if it doesn’t work right. If everything did, you’d be out of a job.” (Mosher's Law of Software Engineering)
“If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.” (Edsger Dijkstra)
john price wrote:Java seems to be playing catch up with the other programming technologies.
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john price wrote:I'm talking about major corporations like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Twitter etc. I do know that Twitters servers are partly/all Java servers. I would like to see client examples, not server examples.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Tim McGuire wrote:At my workplace, we find that intermediate level java programmers are hard to find at an affordable price in spite of the economy. We can't seem to hire one to save our lives! Same goes for many java shops in this region.
john price wrote:You say it's mostly server side which strengthens my point - people don't use Java for client programs. If I am misunderstanding, please correct me. Sorry to start a debate on your thread Wouter Oet. I am naive on this topic as you see here.
EDIT : I do agree with your points on the last post.
Are you better than me? Then please show me my mistakes..
Pat Farrell wrote:
Tim McGuire wrote:At my workplace, we find that intermediate level java programmers are hard to find at an affordable price in spite of the economy. We can't seem to hire one to save our lives! Same goes for many java shops in this region.
Does this mean that its easy to hire expert Java folks? Or that you only hire rookies and intermediates?
Seems legit..
- Rohit
Tim McGuire wrote:
Pat Farrell wrote:
Tim McGuire wrote:At my workplace, we find that intermediate level java programmers are hard to find at an affordable price in spite of the economy. We can't seem to hire one to save our lives! Same goes for many java shops in this region.
Does this mean that its easy to hire expert Java folks? Or that you only hire rookies and intermediates?
I only mean that we've been trying to hire intermediates lately. I guess I'm using intermediate very broadly. When I think "expert", I think, "re-engineer hibernate to make it more efficient" .
I am totally agree with you :-) But still i want few more news from new JAVA frontDheeraj Bansal wrote:I am from India and have working experience of around 4.5 years mostly in java. Recently I thought of switching job and got almost 8 different offers because I had worked on java and allied technologies in the past. People in India love it and use it in almost every other application. Java is soul and body of IT industry here.
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. . . and anybody who can maintain the old COBOL code can have a lucrative jobLance Lotlinc wrote: . . . the Cobol mainframe types . . . will be leaving the work force sooner rather than later. . . .
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. . . and anybody who can maintain the old COBOL code can have a lucrative jobLance Lotlinc wrote: . . . the Cobol mainframe types . . . will be leaving the work force sooner rather than later. . . .
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Lance Lotlinc wrote:No technology has been more widely accepted than Java. The people making jeers are the Cobol mainframe types. No need to pay attention to them as they will be leaving the work force sooner rather than later. Java is more than a language. It is a technology. It transcends hardware platforms and political boundaries like no other product.
Henry Wong wrote:
Lance Lotlinc wrote:No technology has been more widely accepted than Java. The people making jeers are the Cobol mainframe types. No need to pay attention to them as they will be leaving the work force sooner rather than later. Java is more than a language. It is a technology. It transcends hardware platforms and political boundaries like no other product.
There is nothing wrong with pointing out those who are against Java because they are "stuck with Cobol". However, I would recommend doing some introspection though -- as 30 years from now, you want to be one in the camp of pointing out those who are "stuck with Java"....Henry
john price wrote:All my coding friends do not use Java.
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Jay Orsaw wrote:.... and most programs are written in C. People hate on Java because of the JVM
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