Henry Wong wrote:
Since, I know that this discussion will be one-sided, I will try to play devil's avocate. During my last background check, they investigated via my last three companies, investigated my college (even though I graduated more than two decades ago), looked into the criminal records for New York, New Jersey, and California, looked into all federal criminal lists, did a check of financial records, etc. Given all of this, this just looks like the next step.
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Hussein Baghdadi wrote:Dear employer, I'm not on Facebook. Sue me!
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Tim Moores wrote:
Hussein Baghdadi wrote:Dear employer, I'm not on Facebook. Sue me!
They won't, because they won't hire you in the first place.
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chris webster wrote:
Tim Moores wrote:
Hussein Baghdadi wrote:Dear employer, I'm not on Facebook. Sue me!
They won't, because they won't hire you in the first place.
Really? Surely we're all supposed to be too busy working, helping each other out at JavaRanch, developing new skills in our spare time, and so on to waste time on things like FaceBook?
Never found any reason to join FaceBook myself - I'm more of an anti-social networking kind of a guy....
Tim Moores wrote:With unemployment being what it is, it's simply a question of whether the applicant blinks first.
Luke Kolin wrote:
Tim Moores wrote:With unemployment being what it is, it's simply a question of whether the applicant blinks first.
I don't understand this statement. At least in my market, we have full employment for competent Java developers and architects. If I tried nonsense like this when searching for people, not only would I be unable to hire anyone good, but my name and my company would likely get informally blacklisted within the Java community.
arulk pillai wrote:I am not sure about a facebook account, but I think professional online presence is important via linkedIn, blog, etc. Networking is a key aspect of finding employment.
Luke Kolin wrote:company would likely get informally blacklisted within the Java community.
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Anayonkar Shivalkar wrote: I mean, is social networking skills is criteria?
Bear Bibeault wrote:They're not looking to determine social networking skills, they're looking for dirt.
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Paul Anilprem wrote:I hope someone sues and wins!
arulk pillai wrote:I am not sure about a facebook account, but I think professional online presence is important via linkedIn, blog, etc. Networking is a key aspect of finding employment.
Luke Kolin wrote:
Paul Anilprem wrote:I hope someone sues and wins!
On what basis? It's a breathtakingly stupid idea by if you criminalize stupid, the prisons would be overflowing.
Cheers!
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Paul Anilprem wrote:
Oh, I am sure there can be a solid ground. A case can be made that the person didn't get the job because he was forced to reveal his sexual orientation/religious beliefs/etc. through data in his facebook account. Doesn't matter if this is stupid or not, it would be illegal.
It is already illegal to ask questions on these areas. Employer cannot circumvent this legal protection by forcing the applicants to give personal data. Access to personal data is as good as asking questions on prohibited topics.
I think it definitely makes probable cause.
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
That's an interesting proposed law. I wonder what it would do to the "when does your job/contract" end question. Which isn't bad to ask at an interview because you want to know when the candidate is available. I guess it could be moved until after an offer was made.
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The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
No more Blub for me, thank you, Vicar.
chris webster wrote:Looks like this story is going global - now on the UK Guardian newspaper website as well.
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Henry Wong wrote:
Here may be an interesting topic for the Job Discussion forum...
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-employers-seek-your-access-to-facebook-20120320,0,1581508.story
Apparently, some companies now require full access to facebook accounts as an requirement to apply for a job. What do you think?
Henry
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