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Bear Bibeault wrote:So far off the mark as to be laughable.
Wed devs, at least competent ones, need all those skills that "other" devs need. They in fact, need to know more technologies, in addition to all those core skills.
Good web development is hard.
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Andy Jack wrote: the non-web dev (NWD) guys need to be good at more difficult stuff like Data Structures and Algorithms, Computer Architecture, Operating Systems, Multi-threading (eek !) etc.
Andy Jack wrote:What do you consider as core skills ? Which are the "other skills" that are needed in addition to core skills ?
Bear Bibeault wrote:Good web development is hard.
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chris webster wrote:
Bear Bibeault wrote:Good web development is hard.
Good development is hard.
Andy Jack wrote:From job descriptions, I see that web dev (WD) guys only need HTML, CSS, JS, PHP, XML, JSON, etc. But, the non-web dev (NWD) guys need to be good at more difficult stuff like Data Structures and Algorithms, Computer Architecture, Operating Systems, Multi-threading (eek !) etc.
But, I am not saying that WD don't have to work hard. I am sure they have to think a lot in their jobs. But, I guess they don't have to deal with the difficult topics that I mentioned.
I am guessing that if I am correct, then being a WD with less experience (2-3 years???) makes you an easily replaceable commodity. If that is also true, then what other skills can you learn to make yourself less replaceable.
How far is my perception correct ?
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Seetharaman Venkatasamy wrote:
Andy Jack wrote: the non-web dev (NWD) guys need to be good at more difficult stuff like Data Structures and Algorithms, Computer Architecture, Operating Systems, Multi-threading (eek !) etc.
irrespective of web or non web or something.. if a person is a developer/programmer, then he should have all of those[at least basic level].
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Lesson #1: "I know someone who said such and such" does not make such-and-such true. Reminds of the guy who posted a while back saying "None of my friends use Java so it must be a dead language."
Also, what are you considering a web dev? Someone who creates the graphics in Photoshop? Someone who draws the comps and interaction design (UX)? Someone who codes the HTML? The CSS? The JavaScript? The server-side control logic? The business layer? The persistence layer? The database schema?
As a web developer I do all of that. Does every web developer do all that? No. Of course not. So you'll need to be more specific about you are meaning when you say "web developer".
If you are talking about someone who writes any code -- even JavaScript in the browser -- the skills are the same across the board. I have known many people who think that writing JavaScript in the browser is something that they can just "wing it" without having to develop proper coding skills. Such people are better known as "hacks" rather than a developers.
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Jayesh A Lalwani wrote:I wish a lot of developers stop treating technologies like badges like they are in the Boy Scouts or something.
Jayesh A Lalwani wrote: A developer is someone who can develop code... Someone who can deliver. It doesn't matter whether he knows data structures or not, doesn't matter whether he can rattle off names of 7 design patterns.
Jayesh A Lalwani wrote: It doesn't matter whether he knows data structures or not
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