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Hi again
I was wondering if these file formats are currently a standard of any kind or is it begin presented for standardization to any commities? Like the ECMA or others? I think this whole project is great. I can't wait to put some demo's together for my superiors to show them what can be done outside the Microsoft Office Space.
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I'm afraid I don't know that, aside from XML being of course a standard. Everything being XML would be freakin' fabulous, though. Aside from a slightly longer save time, everything I've seen with these formats is great.
Trivia that y'all may know: a south american country like, I think, Peru, has made a requirement that all government documents be produced in an open standard format. I.e. no Word documents. MS is furious but of course can't do a thing.
And according to USA Today the EU has put together a 249,000 euro study on switching several countries' governments over to Linux and, presumably, OOo.
Btw, regarding persuading your superiors, the 3D in Draw demos really well, even if it's not necessarily an essential part of what people want to know. See the big illustration at www.getopenoffice.org

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Originally posted by Sal DiStefano:
Hi again
I was wondering if these file formats are currently a standard of any kind or is it begin presented for standardization to any commities? Like the ECMA or others? I think this whole project is great. I can't wait to put some demo's together for my superiors to show them what can be done outside the Microsoft Office Space.
Thank You
Sal

 
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I appreciate the info. I think it would give Sun a lot of leverage if they could get these formats standardized similar to the VCard Contact, and Appointment formats,etc.
I also read about the interest in South America to standardize on OpenSource Software. I think it is a great idea.
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Microsofts next Office Release is supposed to use an XML File Format however, I am unsure if it is the same as Open Office. But once again, leave it to Bill to steal an idea.
I will try to find some links on the subject
 
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http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/office2k3b2/
There are some screenshots of Office 2003. The very first one would imply that it will contain some sort of XML Schema in the Documents.
 
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http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021031S0008
An yet another quote that pretty much confirms this
..."I would call the change to an XML file format the larger risk," he says. Among Office 11's most touted new features is its reliance on the open standard XML as a native file format. "One of the things that has protected the [Office] franchise is its proprietary file format, but by turning to XML, they're opening the door and making it easier for others to compete."
So there you go.
 
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From the horses' mouth:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/developer/preview/
"Word 11," the code name for the next version of Microsoft Word, includes support for XML as a native file format. This enables users to work with and save documents in XML. Word 11 templates can also include underlying XML schemas, enabling users to create documents containing XML markup and tagged information without needing to learn or understand XML.
 
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This is one of the great things about competition. The ability of the best ideas to rise to the top. With all their money for R&D Microsoft decides to use an open source format. I think it is great how Microsoft is being forced by innovation and competition to play nice with others.
 
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Mostly, one comes with an excellent idea, but they don't work out it completely. So there are some bugs, shortcomings and so. An other company sees this, and uses the idea but improves it.
At that I think Microsoft is doing the job. And off-course they have a better marketing program.
But as far as I can see, Microsoft is using XSLT for formatting the documents. Is OOo doing this also?
And is it so that when you have the appropriate stylesheets (XSLTs) that you can view the OOo xml-documents in for example Internet Explorer? I mean that you don't have to change the document to HTML. And maybe something more interesting will there be a webserver add-on, which converts any OOo documents to HTML on request? Or do we (Java programmers) have to built such thing ourself?
I think that MS using XML for their documents also is very interesting for the OOo users. It will be less difficult to save to the new MS-Word (XML) format. And reading won't be as difficult as it is now.
Is the format for databases also XML? Can this be compared to a XML-Database?
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I know XSLT is a big part of what Microsoft is planning going forward with Office.
The benefits are great when you need different presentations of the same (XML) data. I think the finally "get it".
I understand they will also be developing the user interface or office so that these stylesheets will be as easy to create as a word doc so that users don't have to be concerned with the underlying complexity.
 
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I think Microsoft's XML format will be open standard and normal XML when pigs are easily able to travel swiftly above the ground. They managed to mess up Java with impugnity, more or less, and Scott McNealy won't be leading a witty, hostile charge to defend XML.
But, of course, this might be their time to start playing nice and cooperating with the rest of the world... maybe...
 
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Originally posted by Solveig Laura Haugland:
I think Microsoft's XML format will be open standard and normal XML when pigs are easily able to travel swiftly above the ground. They managed to mess up Java with impugnity, more or less, and Scott McNealy won't be leading a witty, hostile charge to defend XML.
But, of course, this might be their time to start playing nice and cooperating with the rest of the world... maybe...



Microsoft play nice?? HA! They will do something with XML so they can call it MSXML and it will be jacked.
 
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Just to clarify. OOo means OpenOffice ? Why the 3rd O is in small letter? What os SO?
 
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OOo = OpenOffice.org
SO = StarOffice
 
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Oh yes, small o for org.I should have understood...
 
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If MS is going to mess up XML and have their MSXML, they shouldn't be allowed to call it XML, XML is a standard I believe and changing it, will not make a new standard.
But I believe we are floating away from the discussion. Let us please be ON-TOPIC.
 
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