-Rodge
"When you're curious, you find lots of interesting things to do." -Walt Disney
... want to learn the basics before I jump into IDE specific benefits. Even if only for a few days or weeks, but I am unable to run code, even with the Npp Java Tools plugin
Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:Notepad++ is really cool, but I am new to programming and want to learn the basics before I jump into IDE specific benefits. Even if only for a few days or weeks...
but I am unable to run code, even with the Npp Java Tools plugin I downloaded from a site I came across looking into this issue myself...
On a side note, the exercise 1-1 in Murach's Java Programming, 4th Edition, which I am using, it has me opening two separate projects in NetBeans
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Bear Bibeault wrote:As outlined in the other topic, I'd avoid using "tools" in a editor.... it's the same as using the IDE as a crutch.
Bear Bibeault wrote:Save your .java files as simple text files and use the command line tools to compile and run them. Otherwise, you're learning how to use the tool, not how to use Java.
Bear Bibeault wrote:says "I don't want to use an IDE, so how do I use Notepad++ as an IDE?"
-Rodge
"When you're curious, you find lots of interesting things to do." -Walt Disney
Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:Wow, you are spot on here, yeah, pretty dumb on my part. LOL. I will uninstall these, then. I need to find a Npp tutorial for coding in Java... or maybe I will just stick to the cmd window.
NetBeans is okay for the examples, especially since using NetBeans menus and such are part of the examples, but I want to learn the coding, not the IDE in which I am doing the coding.
/sigh So lost... I feel like I am being pulled in two directions, I need to step back, focus on the basic approach for cmd/npp and go with that. I want to get away from the IDE if possible, especially if I can go through the examples in the book without it.
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Bear Bibeault wrote:I think you need to find a book or tutorial that focuses on the JDK command line tools:
javac for compiling java for running
To create the .java files, all you need is a text editor.
Smart editors (and IDEs) are nice because they provide automatic indenting, and code completion, and syntax highlighting. But that's all fluff for now. All you really need to get started is a text editor, javac, and java.
-Rodge
"When you're curious, you find lots of interesting things to do." -Walt Disney
-Rodge
"When you're curious, you find lots of interesting things to do." -Walt Disney
Winston Gutkowski wrote:
Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:Wow, you are spot on here, yeah, pretty dumb on my part. LOL. I will uninstall these, then. I need to find a Npp tutorial for coding in Java... or maybe I will just stick to the cmd window.
One more time: Ooof. Is this how things work in the military?
I don't think anybody's suggested that you uninstall; simply that you use Npp for now. for you:
-Rodge
"When you're curious, you find lots of interesting things to do." -Walt Disney
Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:I uninstall on habit; if I don't use it, it is gone...
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Did you explore cygwin as I suggested?
-Rodge
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Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:This is really cool though, but where do I start? I see I need to set my path for this compiler, but how do I tell it all of this? Wait, let me get on duckduckgo.com and do some research, hold off on that. Sheesh, this is a weird, yet highly creative program. Thanks for introducing me to this one.
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Piet Souris wrote:I have the feeling that this discussion is going the complete wrong way.
Winston's quick tutorial about this Npp is longer than a quick tutorial to an executable jar, using NetBeans and the like.
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Winston wrote
And as for Eclipse (which I use now): I still don't know how to get that darn "which workspace would you like to open" prompt back after I've clicked the "Don't ask me again" checkbox. I'm quite sure there is a way, but my current solution: wipe, re-install, set up a new workspace and import my Projects...and don't click that damn checkbox again. EVER.
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Piet Souris wrote:But I prefer all this way over command lines, that I've hated all my life
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Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:
Bear Bibeault wrote:Did you explore cygwin as I suggested?
Okay Bear, I installed this cygwin, but not sure where to start on a compiling level. I found a bunch of free games and such, but nothing special in my opinion. This is really cool though, but where do I start? I see I need to set my path for this compiler, but how do I tell it all of this? Wait, let me get on duckduckgo.com and do some research, hold off on that. Sheesh, this is a weird, yet highly creative program. Thanks for introducing me to this one.
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Rodge Paroissiaux wrote:Notepad++ is really cool, but I am new to programming and want to learn the basics before I jump into IDE specific benefits. Even if only for a few days or weeks, but I am unable to run code, even with the Npp Java Tools plugin I downloaded from a site I came across looking into this issue myself. Are there any Npp experts out there that can help me get the hang of how Npp works and how to run/execute/modify/save classes and such to learn it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
On a side note, the exercise 1-1 in Murach's Java Programming, 4th Edition, which I am using, it has me opening two separate projects in NetBeans, but I am unable to do this in Notepad++, even when I run two instances. Am I doing something wrong here? I am thinking Mr. Murach has made optional coding more difficult that it should be. I just want to learn how this works from a beginner level to ensure I build up slowly and steadily. I am in no rush to learn this material, time is not against me. This is me learning, and nothing more. I will go as slow as necessary to ensure I do it right. I am in no rush and will take different approaches if necessary to learn the dis-/advantages of Java/OOP. I have all day.
Oh yeah, here is the first chapter if you want to look at the material:
http://murach.com/dloads/javp/javp_ch1.pdf
I just created a long string of numbers for the email address and a bunch of random letters for the name. It will allow you to open it after that. I have the actual book in front of me, so I am not going off of this electronic version, I just saw it online for free and thought I'd list for reference.
Winston Gutkowski wrote:
And as for Eclipse (which I use now): I still don't know how to get that darn "which workspace would you like to open" prompt back after I've clicked the "Don't ask me again" checkbox. I'm quite sure there is a way, but my current solution: wipe, re-install, set up a new workspace and import my Projects...and don't click that damn checkbox again. EVER.
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