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topics to learn getting started in hibernate

 
numan ali
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Hi guys,

I urgently need a list of hibernate topics I plan on studying (and then to study them) for work, things that can be trakced to show I am studying and making progress. Can someone please give me a list of things to do. Like 1) configure Hibernaate in IDE to connect with DB 2) Create entity, then be able to save data and retrieve from the DB..... so on? Please list enough such steps to give me a very good understanding of hibernate in like 2-3 weeks or 2-4 weeks time.

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My first question would be : what's wrong with working through the hibernate tutorial as fast as you can? Hibernate has excellent documentation.
 
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HI Ulf, thank you. The thing is, I need a list of things to build a solid foundation, I dont need a SUPER thorough guide right now, but def. in the future. So can you please provide it for me?

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Have you actually tried to have a look at the documentation as Ulf suggested? It contains quite a lot of different resources, and some might actually fit quite well your needs for brevity and scope. There are some "getting started" links, which you obviously should be interested in. After that, just reading the table of contents of the tutorials or documentation would give you quite a good idea about various topics you'll need to cover to use Hibernate.
 
numan ali
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@Martin, thanks, but I need more detailed information, because I have other technologies to learn as well, so I cant just say "I'm gonna read hibernate documentation," I need traceable goals.

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The Hibernate documentation, like almost every other documentation I've seen, is split into chapters. Just the top level chapters give quite good names of areas you'll need to cover. If you don't understand the name of the chapter immediately, you can always read a few paragraphs of the corresponding chapter to get at least some ideas. In my opinion, this way you could get the list you desire in under an hour.

If you've already looked at that documentation and decided it's not what you need, then I'm afraid I can't help.
 
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@MArtin: Can you tell me which numbers are the ones I should read for my purposes of building a sound foundation in hibernate, before I can move on to something else? Thanks
 
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@MArtin or Anyone: In the documentation it says they use HSQL, I have a mysql DB set up, and I have formed the connection in eclipse and got a successful "ping" test completed, what else do I need to do to start on the hibernate documentation?
 
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It seems odd that you should ask what to study when you actually seem to have an idea of where your weaknesses are. Should the goals not be set against those, or against what you need in your job?
 
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No, I dont know where my weaknesses are, when did I say that? I just dont know hibernate, in general, I cant spend the next 2 yrs become a pure hibernate wizard, I have other areas of Java to learn as well.
 
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There are many aspects to a sound application development. Just hibernate or any other single technology won't be enough. In fact, you might have to learn many different technology, all for different purposes. And trust me, you can't learn any of them just by grabbing a book or documentation, and mugging them top-to-bottom. You will gradually learn them in the process of building an application. You yourself will come to know what isi important for you based on your needs. And then at the end, you'll see you would have got quite a hold of them.

So, don't just think of hitting a particular technology. You don't. You don't waste 2 years just learning hibernate. Rather you learn many different things parallely.
 
numan ali
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@R Jain: thanks for your time, but like I said I need specifics to build a base. Youre right, their is a lot to learn, but I am sure the hibernate core/base is the same, so can you please list those for me.
 
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Elsewhere you said:
I need something to be able to show im making progress with the right things.

We have no idea what the right things for you are. Absent knowledge of what that is, I don't see what else we could suggest but "just start using it in actual code" and "read the topics of the documentation that are relevant to your work and/or the examples you use for your learning experiments".
 
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thanks
 
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It took me 30 seconds to find this. Start reading and write code along the way. That's as close to "a list" as there is.
 
numan ali
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Ulf, you're going in circles.

No, I've been saying the same thing consistently. Maybe it's time you started listening to what everybody here is telling you. You came here for advice, after all, and your response seems to be that the advice is no good for reasons that I, for one, am not clear about (and others apparently aren't clear on that, either).

The docs are at http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/orm/4.3/quickstart/en-US/html/. The 3 basic ways to start are outlined in chapters 2, 3 and 4. Which one of those makes the most sense for you only you can know. Each one comes with sample code to start, and each has suggestions how to proceed afterwards. A logical next step would be to head to the full documentation at http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/orm/4.3/manual/en-US/html/ and read as appropriate with respect to your progress and your goals.
 
numan ali
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The headline of each of those chapters makes it clear whether or not they are about JPA.
 
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numan, in the future please do not edit posts after there have been replies to it. It removes context needed to understand the replies, and makes the conversation meaningless.
 
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Watch out for my new book which will clear all your doubts. The probable release date is April-May this year.

You can see the index here: http://www.coderanch.com/t/622592/books/book-Java-Spring-Hibernate-Data
 
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