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Hi

Is there any forum where We can have discussion with Java developer turned entrepreneur . We always here talk about job , interview skills set. But why not talk about business idea which can be implemented by java . We should have forum like that.
We should think beyond the jobs . Why not create the jobs for other if we have skills and ideas
 
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Isn't that a form of job discussion? I can certainly see such a discussion fitting in here. (And I also think that for discussing business ideas the choice of programming language is generally irrelevant. Such implementation decisions come much later.)
 
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chinu goyal wrote:Why not create the jobs for other if we have skills and ideas



Because we don't have the capital needed to securely employ people. Nothing worse than not being able to make payroll for two hundred employees after they worked five weeks. Employees depend on stable income to pay rent, buy food, make car payments, pay hospital bills. An angry mob is no fun.

Therefore, it takes more than skills and ideas. It takes capital.

As a 'trep, you may be willing to work for little to no income, but other people are not as enthusiastic about working for nothing.

Handing capital to a java developer is like parachuting a three year-old into a candy factory.

What is needed before a developer gets his hands on capital is instruction in how to manage people and care for the incubation of important business-centric goals and objectives.

http://www.darden.virginia.edu/web/Batten-Institute/Education/Experiential-Programs/VC-Bootcamp/

https://sb.co/
 
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No one starts with 250 employees. The only way you are going to get enough capital to ave a startup with 250 employees is if you already have a track record of building startups. In my last job, when I joined them, it took them 3 years to grow to 20 developers + 20 business people. When I left 4 years later, they were at 150 dev/qa + 400 business/support. In the job before that, they had been in "Startup" mode with 15-30 developers for 15 years

Most startups start with an idea of solving a business problem. They are usually "funded" by the sweat equity of the founders until the founders make something that they can show to VCs. You don't even need to have good management skills to take a company into funding, although it does help. What you need is vision. If your idea is good enough, VCs will give you enough money to hire a PM.

If someone wants to discuss an idea for a startup on here, I wouldn't discourage them. Although, I don;t know if people would want their ideas to be put on a public forum. IMO, The Jobs Discussion forum is a good forum for it.
 
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Jayesh A Lalwani wrote:No one starts with 250 employees.



Nonetheless, this does not emulsify the original points :

1. To be a successful 'trep, you do not start by writing computer code.

2. Java (or insert your favorite computer language here) developers typically do not have the organizational skills needed to run an organization of any size; it takes training, coaching, and mentorship to be a successful leader; before one can be a successful leader, one must be a dedicated follower.

3. Whether its 200, 250, or two employees, the requirement to chiefly shepherd incubatable ideas into an on-going, for-profit enterprise is a totally different skillset than knowing how to instantiate a main function that contains a Java class.

4. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg are examples of people with too much power that drive poor ego-centric success stories. While they successfully made it to the big time, they are not good examples for other 'treps.


Geoffrey Moore's series about Crossing the Chasm is a good study for budding 'treps. Worth every penny for $10.
 
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I've worked for startups for the past 6 years, in 3 companies. All of the founders in all 3 companies were not really great managers. All of them started by writing computer code. They are more or less problem solvers. Also, they had the ability to figure out how to surround themselves with people with complementary skills. And really, the most successful of them did exactly that. None of his direct reports are like him, or like each other. He himself had trouble speaking in a room full of people, and we watched him learn those skills as the company was growing.

You don't have to be a manager to start a startup. Actually, there is no one way to start a startup. If you have a cool idea, go for it. The worst thing that's going to happen to you is that you are going to fail and learn something that you can use in your next startup. Your first idea is almost guaranteed to be a failure. That's ok. The startup world loves people who can dust themselves up and get back on track
 
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Emulsify? You sure that is the right word?
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:Emulsify? You sure that is the right word?



I'm open to alternatives for other salient possibilities.

Someone did not make coffee this morning, and its weighing on my conscience.

If you or others can suggest a better option, I'll edit the post.

Emulsify: Emulsifiers and emulsifying particles tend to promote dispersion of the phase in which they do not dissolve very well.


The idea then is that Jayesh's comments do not disperse the original thoughts about the skills 'treps need to succeed. Such thoughts about these skills are a harsh reality (ie. don't dissolve very well).
 
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The thought of not having any money to pay 200 workers looks pretty insoluble, and indigestible.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:The thought of not having any money to pay 200 workers looks pretty insoluble, and indigestible.



Those were the breaks in the big time of 1999 / 2000 / 2001. Before the monies hit the bank accounts, the startup VPs had already bought the big screen tee vees, invested in their ski boats and race cars, the foos ball tables, the laptops, and hired their wives -er- girl friends for secretaries. Nevermind any notion of return on investment or making a profit.

These decisions put the companies in peril, and sacrificed the golden calf of all that wonderful venture capital on toys and things that had no impact on business value or customer service.

And the lives of all those hard working employees were detrimentally changed for ever.


Now some of us know better, and can chart those rapids to avoid the rocks.
 
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