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Ever been a victim of Politics of Project Lead and Program Manager in Java web Projects?

 
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Dear Team,

Here I want to know have anybody experienced being the Victim of Project Lead and Program Manager, because I have been I want to understand what needs to be done in such cases, I am very Submissive, and I want to Improve myself so that the Leads and Managers dont take advantage in future.

So heres my story I took the risk of travelling from Mumbai to Bangalore as I got an opportunity to work in one of the Internal Projects in Java with the hope of getting proper guidance and training, the moment I came I was thrown to do Programming in Some complex Web appliaction called GrossMargin Sheet which calculates the revenue and cost of the Project. i was not aware of jquery , SPRING Framework etc. Whenver I used to ask my Project Lead he used to fire back saying ''search in Google " and was busy with his work. I got frustrated, he used to shout making me scare of his seniority. I then requested my Manager to relocate me back to Mumbai as I am not getting the assistance that I expected, though some colleagues were helping me out seeing my bad condition, whenver we went for Lunch they told me the ground reality that the leads here will not help, you unecessarily came to Bangalore. So i requested my Manager to better transfer me to Mumbai. I requested many times, I dropped her a mail, I said I will take the remote desktop If i need any assistance from Seniors. But she said No No , you cant do it. Anyhow I was not getting any Proper guidance in Bangalore then also I didnt understood why this Manager was not agreeing to relocate me. Because of my consistent Mail and she got angry and forcefully throwed me into Servicedesk to provide support on the appliations and that too in Bangalore only. It was so devastating but understood I am a very submissive guy and hence people are simply taking advantage of me. Please advise what needs to be done in such cases. Also please share your experiences so that I can feel I am not alone.
 
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Hello champ, I feel your frustration

Anyway why was there a transfer? Did you request or your manager want you to help with such and such project?

As you already know making such move turn out 1) team leader not helping, 2) manager doesn't seem to care.

If I were you next step is:
1. Is the project you are currently working on interest you (not talking about tech)? If so learning the necessary tech to implement the functions will indeed be a journey.
2. Ask around for other team's opening internally. Talk to other teams' managers if you can, learn what their team is doing and decide if that team would be something you want to explore.

At the end of the day, you need to be in the driving seat. When you see or foresee something no going right, change plan or start planning the next move.

Good luck
 
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Becaus of Javaranch and Kathy Sierra Java Ineterested me, Initially I was in IT Support in Mumbai and used to drop a mail to almost all the Manager to give me a chance to work in Java as the Internal Java Project worked only In Java, I agreed to compromise on my comfort level of living , even though I have financial issues supporting my family, I assumed this is my Interest and ran after it, but this cruel and heartless Project Lead simply crushed it like a bug making me feel horrible and my money simply being spent on staying on a rented house, Now currently Its a Support Job,I am doing just to support my family or would have absconded long back or blasted my Project Lead if I had financial Security. Anyways please suggest what to do as My Mind is jumping like Monkey here and there sometimes I feel I should Improve Programming, sometimes I feel like I am stuck and My manager unnecessarily played politics... Serioudly I wonder why people who doesnot know how to code but to use People are made Managers
 
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Why are you taking it so seriously man. Asking to search in google for any question from junior is normal thing. This way you will develop your troubleshooting skills. You will learn more by going through various pages while searching solution for any issue. Dont expect spoon feeding. Once you get that skill to solve any issue, finding some piece of code and modifying it as per your need. You will enjoy it. Go through application, take KT from team, make somebody your friend (in project/ out of project) who is technical guy. discuss with him. Take it as a challenge. Prepare simple applications to understand frameworks. Find a girlfriend there

Nothing is impossible. you just need to decide what you want to do and be firm on it while working. Never step back.

Thanks,
Vijay
 
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In programming, you need to be able to deliver. People are going to ignore you until you show you can deliver something. You need to be able to research things yourself. Seniors will help you if you come up with alternative solutions. but no one is going to tell you what you exactly need to do.
 
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vijay jamadade wrote:Why are you taking it so seriously man. Asking to search in google for any question from junior is normal thing. This way you will develop your troubleshooting skills. You will learn more by going through various pages while searching solution for any issue. Dont expect spoon feeding. Once you get that skill to solve any issue, finding some piece of code and modifying it as per your need. You will enjoy it. Go through application, take KT from team, make somebody your friend (in project/ out of project) who is technical guy. discuss with him. Take it as a challenge. Prepare simple applications to understand frameworks. Find a girlfriend there

Nothing is impossible. you just need to decide what you want to do and be firm on it while working. Never step back.

Thanks,
Vijay




Dear Vijay/jayesh,

I wouldnt have mind if I have got proper KT in development team and some basics Training on Spring/jQuery/XML but nothing happened thats My point.I dont have personal Laptop or Desktop with me to practise at home too as I am in Bangalore and financially cant afford due to the rent I am sending at my Home. Seriously people even though the Person is a Programmer, if he is not having Leadership skills, he should never be made the Team Lead or the Project Lead.
Its seriously a disappointment where some People dont want to share their Knowledge and unecessarily Insulting in front of the team, even though I did some enhancements, it was just called as 'Simply fitting Pieces' by my Manager
 
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Vishal Hegde wrote:

vijay jamadade wrote:Why are you taking it so seriously man. Asking to search in google for any question from junior is normal thing. This way you will develop your troubleshooting skills. You will learn more by going through various pages while searching solution for any issue. Dont expect spoon feeding. Once you get that skill to solve any issue, finding some piece of code and modifying it as per your need. You will enjoy it. Go through application, take KT from team, make somebody your friend (in project/ out of project) who is technical guy. discuss with him. Take it as a challenge. Prepare simple applications to understand frameworks. Find a girlfriend there

Nothing is impossible. you just need to decide what you want to do and be firm on it while working. Never step back.

Thanks,
Vijay




Dear Vijay/jayesh,

I wouldnt have mind if I have got proper KT in development team and some basics Training on Spring/jQuery/XML but nothing happened thats My point.I dont have personal Laptop or Desktop with me to practise at home too as I am in Bangalore and financially cant afford due to the rent I am sending at my Home. Seriously people even though the Person is a Programmer, if he is not having Leadership skills, he should never be made the Team Lead or the Project Lead.
Its seriously a disappointment where some People dont want to share their Knowledge and unecessarily Insulting in front of the team, even though I did some enhancements, it was just called as 'Simply fitting Pieces' by my Manager



Undoubtedly, you are in a stressful situation. Whether you are at fault or not, is immaterial at this point. Whether your manager is an idiot is also immaterial. His incompetency is his problem. Don't make it yours. My suggestion to you is to start reading books, websites, manuals, and code. There is nothing like "proper KT". Most projects I have worked on, the only KT you got was the location of the code base.
If you don't have a computer at home. Get your a** glued to the office chair. S/w profession is the good in this respect. Entry barrier is extremely low. All you need is a desire to learn and *to learn on your own*. All the material is available on the internet. You start reading and writing code. You can be an expert in a few months.

You got insulted in front of the team? Sure, that's not good. It must have hurt you bad. But it is not the end of you life, right? So endure a few months of hardship, learn on this company's dime and find a new job later.
 
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What's KT? Knowledge transfer?
 
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Vishal Relax....there are many people like you who have been victims of such corporate politics. Since this thread asks and more importantly has put forth an example, I would like to highlight (these are my personal views and what I've observed) that when any manager or team lead gives you such work which they are aware is out of your reach, there are very few people who are able to accomplish them but for the remaining (even those who are on bench), the trap is set. The manager then asks them to join some support team failing which those employees will be pushed in PIP(Performance Improvement Programme) (where the employees can even get fired). Now anybody would choose the first option thinking they would find a good job later.
Its not that easy for the company to find software engineers for any sort of support(something which any ordinary graduate can do)/documentation/or any other such work but this way, the company is able to show the client that they have software engineers working on "such" projects (which indeed attracts the clients).
Now after long working hours and when you are staying away from home (I'm aware in your case it was you who asked and were ready for relocation but this in itself is an important point to note), I know its not that easy to read books, do coding and get yourself prepared so very few people are able to fulfill what they promised themselves and the remaining lot becomes a part of the company's well planned strategy with such numbers increasing after periodic intervals.
The real problem only pops up when recession arrives when the company thinks of cutting costs and those people are axed first.

I agree with Paul's advice and if you follow sincerely, there will be lot of companies ready to hire you even though when you develop things as some freshman but whats important is you know them conceptually. Concentrate on any particular framework, let it alone be Servlets, JSP but thoroughly prepare for it and you'll definitely find yourself in a good position in a few months.

Al the very best!!
 
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