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Jack Moore Iii
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I've been reading on the SCJP6 cert prep book for a long time now and dragging my butt about taking the test. I know version 7 has long since come out, and there are minor differences they add. Now I hear version 8 is on the way? Is there any extra material that I should be reading up on and just take the OCJP7 test instead of the 6? Or is it even worth re reading everything that's in 6 with those few changes that are made? I'm sure changes are well documented by now. I seem to have a giant problem with studying and taking horridly long tests. Would be nice if I could get the job first, then cram my brain full of stuff I'll be looking up anyway on the job.
 
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This is the forum for the old SCJA (or OCAJ 5/6) certification. It's completely different to the new OCAJP7 certification. From your explanation I guess you meant the latter certification, so I'll move this thread to the appropriate forum.
 
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I'm not really sure, which is equivalent to a certification which gets me a job programming java? Because that's the one I'm referring to.
 
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I don't know if any certification will get you a job as java programmer. Because that requires more than just that paper.

But if I have 4 candidates and every candidate has just 1 certification I would consider them in this order: OCPJP7, OCPJP6, OCAJP7 and OCAJ 5/6.
 
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Well the supervisor at the government job I'm an intern at seems to think the programming department likes any and all certifications anyone has on top of my CS degree. So if 7 is the best, is the K&P book the best possible prep for it at the moment, along with the Java 7 changes that are listed elsewhere?
 
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For OCAJP7 you have several options. More info you can find here.
 
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I see that 6 is still the better choice as far as hiring goes. Maybe I just need to go with the K&P book and just keep taking mock tests every day. There are only so many questions that can be asked.
 
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Jack Moore Iii wrote:I see that 6 is still the better choice as far as hiring goes.

Lots of companies still using Java 6, so it's not dead and buried yet. But the OCPJP6 certification requires much more effort than the OCAJP7 (10 chapters vs 6 chapters)

Jack Moore Iii wrote:Maybe I just need to go with the K&P book and just keep taking mock tests every day.

That's not an approach I would recommend
 
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Since you have the version 6 book, I recommend taking that exam. You can always take the upgrade exam from OCPJP6 to OCPJP67 later if you want a 7 cert. And in the meantime you have a stronger "first" cert. (OCPJP6 is better than OCAJP7 as Roel noted)

Keep in mind that the OCPJP 7 added a number of new topics like JDBC and Concurrency that aren't covered in the book you have in your hands.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Since you have the version 6 book, I recommend taking that exam. You can always take the upgrade exam from OCPJP6 to OCPJP67 later if you want a 7 cert. And in the meantime you have a stronger "first" cert. (OCPJP6 is better than OCAJP7 as Roel noted)

Keep in mind that the OCPJP 7 added a number of new topics like JDBC and Concurrency that aren't covered in the book you have in your hands.


Yeah, but are all those additional chapters covering the 6th test worth avoiding those few topics? Not that I don't want to have a better certification. It's just that I can barely stay focused enough to read a few pages before I start wandering. Was thinking associate might be "enough" with my lazy study habits to have a certification to show, then boost it up later once I have a job or a more solid understanding of Java.
 
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Jack Moore Iii wrote:It's just that I can barely stay focused enough to read a few pages before I start wandering. Was thinking associate might be "enough" with my lazy study habits to have a certification to show, then boost it up later once I have a job or a more solid understanding of Java.

I have to say I don't like the attitude at all. I would expect from any developer a certain eagerness to learn. You will be working in a continuously changing/evolving environment and you will be faced with new technologies (e.g. we are talking about the new features of Java 7 and Java 8 with its lambdas & default methods in interfaces is already officially released a few months ago). So you'll definitely have to study to keep up. Otherwise you'll be a dead duck (very) quickly. If you are reluctant to learn/study, you should choose another occupation!

My personal story: started my 1st job in January 2004 and got my 1st certification in October 2005. It was my own initiative to become certified (I thought it would make me a better developer and it definitely did) and paid all expenses myself. It certainly helped to have some experience with java programming while preparing for this certification. So I can understand why someone would opt to take the OCAJP7 certification to start with and after having more experience and hands-on experience go for the more advanced/valuable OCPJP7 certification.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Roel De Nijs wrote:
Jack Moore Iii wrote:It's just that I can barely stay focused enough to read a few pages before I start wandering. Was thinking associate might be "enough" with my lazy study habits to have a certification to show, then boost it up later once I have a job or a more solid understanding of Java.

I have to say I don't like the attitude at all. I would expect from any developer a certain eagerness to learn. You will be working in a continuously changing/evolving environment and you will be faced with new technologies (e.g. we are talking about the new features of Java 7 and Java 8 with its lambdas & default methods in interfaces is already officially released a few months ago). So you'll definitely have to study to keep up. Otherwise you'll be a dead duck (very) quickly. If you are reluctant to learn/study, you should choose another occupation!

My personal story: started my 1st job in January 2004 and got my 1st certification in October 2005. It was my own initiative to become certified (I thought it would make me a better developer and it definitely did) and paid all expenses myself. It certainly helped to have some experience with java programming while preparing for this certification. So I can understand why someone would opt to take the OCAJP7 certification to start with and after having more experience and hands-on experience go for the more advanced/valuable OCPJP7 certification.

Just my 2 cents.


Some people learn by reading books for their entire life, and some learn by doing. I learn by doing. I'd rather get my foot in the door and start getting experience. It seems to me a real developer is going to learn and do research along the way rather than shoving their head with as much knowledge as possible at one given time to pass a test. Granted, these are the words of someone who just can't do that very well, but I am at my best when I'm coding, not taking tests. Yet I still need something to put on my resume, and soon.
 
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