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Mohamed Iqzas
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Its getting more difficult for me to learn a framework. Is it possible to develop huge enterprise applications without any particular framework?

Just with JSP, Servlets and Javascript/Ajax stuffs?
 
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It's certainly possible, but the question is whether it is advisable. Web frameworks and ORM frameworks are designed to make your task easier, and the larger the task, the larger the time savings they provide.

Why do you find it difficult to learn frameworks? It's not like you'd have to learn a new one every month.
 
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Mohamed Iqzas wrote:Its getting more difficult for me to learn a framework. Is it possible to develop huge enterprise applications without any particular framework?

Just with JSP, Servlets and Javascript/Ajax stuffs?


What is the framework that you are trying to learn and facing difficulties? Maybe we can help.
 
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I tried to learn Spring just by reading a book but not able to go past 50-60 pages... If I have an interesting project to work using Spring/Hibernate then I can learn out of necessity. Are there any online forums in which we can take up some project like that (for free)?
 
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Not sure what you mean by "not able to". Of course, you need to program along with what you read, purely theoretical knowledge doesn't help.

What do you mean by "online forums" in this context? Surely nothing stops you from working on projects of your own that use whatever framework you want to learn...?
 
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I meant forums which may host projects/ codebase in which beginners like me can participate and involve in development of certain modules and it would be useful for my learning.

I believe Eclipse projects are being developed in such fashion by an online community, may be in a more systematic way and by more experienced people.

 
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There is no shortage of open source projects on SourceForge, Google Code, Github, Apache etc., but I doubt that participating in an established project is the best way to learn a framework (the use of which is at best of secondary importance in any given project).

Why don't you start a project yourself, using the technologies you're interested in, and which does something you've long wanted to automate? That has a much better chance of keeping you interested IMO.
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
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