Graham Wolk wrote:All in all, if I try and try and fail, and I sink with the ship, what are my other options for working with computers for a living? I mean I can always talk to my advisor, but I would like to hear a general opinion here. I want to be an I.T. technician, but I took Computer Science because I figured it'd be good to get the general knowledge of all thinks Computer based. Could I still be an I.T. without learning how to program? Is programming NECESSARY to land a computer job even if you don't want to go into something that would involve it in the work field?
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Much profanity. So wow. In fact I will move this over to a more suitable forum for you.
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Graham Wolk wrote:All in all, if I try and try and fail, and I sink with the ship, what are my other options for working with computers for a living? I mean I can always talk to my advisor, but I would like to hear a general opinion here. I want to be an I.T. technician, but I took Computer Science because I figured it'd be good to get the general knowledge of all thinks Computer based. Could I still be an I.T. without learning how to program? Is programming NECESSARY to land a computer job even if you don't want to go into something that would involve it in the work field?
Lets start with the basics. Why computers?
On the other hand, I suspect there are some people who shouldn't be let loose trying to teach programming.The day you finish your final exams, people will come knocking on your door offering you £27000 as a starting salary and a salary review after six months.
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Graham Wolk wrote:And it is *not* a matter of me just simply not "getting" the language or not "having the mind of a programmer", I believe anyone can learn anything if they try.
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A lot of people would go for C/C++ instead because it is more difficult. When you get to pointer arithmetic, people leave in droves.chris webster wrote: . . . Personally, I think Java is a poor choice as a first programming language . . .
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A lot of people would go for C/C++ instead because it is more difficult. When you get to pointer arithmetic, people leave in droves.chris webster wrote: . . . Personally, I think Java is a poor choice as a first programming language . . .
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Graham Wolk wrote:So to explain I guess I'm trying to ask if you guys think I have a better chance of succeeding if I won't give up from losing my patience, but rather I will give up if I get to the point where I am not knowledgeable enough to pass.
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Graham Wolk wrote:And it is *not* a matter of me just simply not "getting" the language or not "having the mind of a programmer", I believe anyone can learn anything if they try.
I have to disagree with you on this point. I know I can't be a brain surgeon or a theoretical physicist or a concert pianist. We all have strengths and weaknesses and not everyone has the "mind of a programmer". Programming is HARD and it takes years to get skilled at it. Your professor is right and he is just being honest with you. Not everyone will make the cut. Some due to a lack of understanding, but others due to a lack of patience or passion.
Now, having said that, it's too soon for you to decide if it's not the right field for you. It took me months of spending every evening in a room alone with a computer and "Java for Dummies", "Core Java", and "Head First Java" before I started to "get it". I can't tell you how many times I emerged from the room so frustrated I wanted to scream and just told my wife "I'm not smart enough to learn this stuff". It was extremely frustrating. But I stuck with it. Perseverance finally won out and now I have my dream job and I look forward to coming to work everyday.
It's a difficult road you've chosen, but if you have the passion for it, and it sounds like you do, the rewards are worth the pain of the journey. Patience, Grasshopper. We all started in the same place where you are now and we understand the frustration. We're here to help.
Brian Stumbaugh wrote:Im sorry....but whether your teacher is right about most of the class dropping out or not.....thats not something you should say to your students.
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Tim Cooke wrote:Being able to keep yourself focused and motivated in the face of probable failure is a big part of what it means to be a successful programmer...
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Its more like oww. I don't want to get off subject off subject here anymore than I have. I just found that a ridiculous thing for a teacher to say. Im all for putting my nose to the grindstone, but that's just bad teaching.How do you pronounce the augh? Is it aw, aa, ai, aith, aiff, aff, or what?
Winston Gutkowski wrote:
I seem to remember an old maxim that went something like: "You can tell how good a programmer is by the number of scars on their forehead."
Tim Cooke wrote:
Brian Stumbaugh wrote:Im sorry....but whether your teacher is right about most of the class dropping out or not.....thats not something you should say to your students.
This is getting slightly off topic, but I'll play along.
Brian Stumbaugh wrote: I don't want to get off subject off subject here anymore than I have. I just found that a ridiculous thing for a teacher to say. Im all for putting my nose to the grindstone, but that's just bad teaching.
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