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scjp and scwcd and scbcd certifications

 
sai rama krishna
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Hi,

I have completed SCJP 7 years back after 3rd attempt. I tried to clear
scwcd same time but failed 3 times and then I gave up. I am getting interest now to pursue some of these certifications and clear them and get my concepts clear and do some good learning. Now the names also seems changed for the certifications. I wonder which certification is more useful right now being a java/j2ee developer as per the current market. Please advise
 
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7 years ago the SCWCD and SCBCD certifications were like v1.4 and v1.3 respectively. Now the v5 version still exist.

For J2EE developers, the WCD is more useful than the BCD. Yet the BCD (covering EJB/JPA) will enable you to better understand the internals of the Java EE platform.

The latest version of these exams is v6. The BCD in v6 is separated into 2 exams: 1 for EJB and another for JPA.

The WCD5 exam is based on J2EE 1.4 API.
 
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sai rama krishna wrote:I wonder which certification is more useful right now being a java/j2ee developer as per the current market. Please advise

So, are you saying that you're already a JEE developer? If so, you might want to ask your employers what they would be interested to have you do. You never know, they might even be willing to stump up some of the costs - and they are SIGNIFICANTLY higher now that Oracle has got its sticky mitts on the process, because they want you to complete tutored courses before they will even let you take the exam. When I took the SCJP exam, it was 200 Euros; now, with their stupid prerequisite "classes", it's 1,200!

So, my advice:
1. Pick something that interests YOU - especially if you're going to be forking out for it.
2. Pick one thing to do; and stick to it.
3. (not everyone will agree with this) Favour a generic course over a specialized one. The reason I suggest this is that a generic course/project is likely to give you a better-rounded knowledge than a specialized one, setting you up for more specialized subjects down the line if you feel you need them.
If you've already got a general auto mechanics' certification, it's a lot easier to become a brake specialist later; but if you're only a brake specialist, it's tougher to cross over to (eg) transmissions.

When I was looking at my "next stage" after SCJP, the 'Certified Java Developer' seemed to fit that bill best for me - don't know what all these "alphabet soup" names mean now, but I assume that 'b' stands for "business" and 'w' for "Web". Unfortunately, by the time I was ready to tackle it, Oracle had jacked the prices from 500 Euros to over 2,000.

Finally: Don't get too bogged down chasing certifications. I don't know what the market is like in your part of the world, but over here they don't carry much weight. A decent interviewer can usually get a good idea of where you're at just by talking to you; and if the employer really wants to know more detail, they'll probably give you aptitude tests of their own.

If you want to learn about JEE, get a good book on the suibject and do all the exercises . That'll probably teach you as much as any certification course.

HIH

Winston
 
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@Winston Only the enterprise architect and java developer certifications requires mandatory training. All other certs don't.
 
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So since i have completed SCJP so i do not need to worry about the costly training.

How about architect and webservices sertifiations. Are they useful. Are there are any trainings for this which offered at reasonably low price. Are there are certification for web service as well. Please advise
 
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sai rama krishna wrote:So since i have completed SCJP so i do not need to worry about the costly training.

No. The SCJP/OCJP does not require training anyway.

sai rama krishna wrote:How about architect and webservices sertifiations. Are they useful. Are there are any trainings for this which offered at reasonably low price. Are there are certification for web service as well. Please advise

The architect certification does require training. The web services one does not. As far as what is useful, it depends on your career goals. I agree with Winston that you have to figure out what your goals are. It sounds like your goal is learning. So the question becomes do you want to learn web services more deeply.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
sai rama krishna wrote:So since i have completed SCJP so i do not need to worry about the costly training.

No. The SCJP/OCJP does not require training anyway.

Hmmm. Then things must have changed from when I looked (or possibly are/were different in Belgium) because when I went on the website, soon after the takeover, every cert I was interested in, including SCJP (or its equivalent) had a set of prerequisite, tutored, and very expensive courses (I remember thinking at the time: "thank Gawd I did my SCJP before all this started"). Maybe there was such a backlash that they've since dropped them for some exams.

Either way, the whole "certification" process seems to be a lot more expensive under Oracle than it was when Sun was around.

@sai: The other thing with certifications - especially ones marketed by companies - is that they may teach you "how to do it the Oracle way", and that you may get marked down for not doing things their way; even if an alternative you come up with is perfectly reasonable. I have no idea if that's how it actually works, but it's certainly something I'd be on my guard about.

Winston
 
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