java certification doublt

[hemant dange]

please,clear my doubt that,I have just given my OCJA code: 1Z1-808 beta.If I fail to pass it then I have to clear it 1st? / i can go directly to OCJA 1Z0-803?.Please guide me.Thanks in advance..

[Javin Paul]

If don't hold any Oracle or Sun certification e.g. SCJP 1.5 or SCJP 1.6, then yes you need to pass OCAJP before appearing for OCP. See here as well

[hemant dange]

many thanks Javin, yah, I don't have any Oracle or Sun certification.But my doubt is still there that if I crack Oracle Certified Java Associate SE 8 Programmer I (beta version) , then is it mandatory to crack Oracle Certified Java Associate SE 7 Programmer I ? OR I can attempt Oracle Certified Java SE 7 Programmer II ?.

[Javin Paul]

Hello Hemant,

It's not mandatory, but unfortunately Beta Exam is already closed on November 15, 2014, so you have to wait until it is available after post beta.

Remember, 1Z0-808 is associate exam, so if you want you can also give OCAJP SE 8, not sure if it has launched yet or not.

Thanks
Javin

[hemant dange]

Javin Paul wrote:Hello Hemant,

It's not mandatory, but unfortunately Beta Exam is already closed on November 15, 2014, so you have to wait until it is available after post beta.

Remember, 1Z0-808 is associate exam, so if you want you can also give OCAJP SE 8, not sure if it has launched yet or not.

Thanks
Javin

Hi Javin,
Delivered my, OCJA SE 8 Programmer I 1Z1-808 Beta on November 15,2014.As per my continues surfing over Oracle website I do not found an exam title as
OCJP SE 8.Regarding to an exam that I delivered,if I crack SE 8 Programmer I Beta version(that I'm confident),is it a better option to register for SE 7 Professional(Programmer II)/ ELSE ?.

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

Hemant,
It depends on your timeline. If you want to wait for the OCPJP 8 beta, that's fine.The advantage of that approach is that is is only $50.

If you want to be able to say you are certified without having to wait for many months (announcing the beta, taking the beta and then waiting months for the score), the OCPJP 7 is a fine choice. There are also more study materials for the version 7 exam since it actually exists.

Note that you don't need to have actually passed the OCA to take the OCP. You just have to pass both (in either order) to actually be certified. [I took the OCP 7 before the OCA 7 because I wanted to take it before the beta ended for that one.)

[hemant dange]

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Hemant,
It depends on your timeline. If you want to wait for the OCPJP 8 beta, that's fine.The advantage of that approach is that is is only $50.

If you want to be able to say you are certified without having to wait for many months (announcing the beta, taking the beta and then waiting months for the score), the OCPJP 7 is a fine choice. There are also more study materials for the version 7 exam since it actually exists.

Note that you don't need to have actually passed the OCA to take the OCP. You just have to pass both (in either order) to actually be certified. [I took the OCP 7 before the OCA 7 because I wanted to take it before the beta ended for that one.)

Thanks a lot Jeanne,
It's really a very long time to wait for beta exam results.I will think seriously as per your quote,to move for OCP 7.
See you and I will definitely ask my queries regarding to certification exams on this forum.Many thanks again.

[Roel De Nijs]

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Note that you don't need to have actually passed the OCA to take the OCP. You just have to pass both (in either order) to actually be certified. [I took the OCP 7 before the OCA 7 because I wanted to take it before the beta ended for that one.)

I think this is not true anymore and has changed.

When I look at the official Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 7 Programmer page, it's clearly mentioned that you need the Oracle Certified Associate, Java SE 7 Programmer as a prior certification. That path also makes more sense: 1st pass the entry-level exam before you can take the advanced exam.

[Akshay Kumbhar]

For 1Z0-803 you don't need any prior certification. You can give it any time. But I'm wondering why you going back to SE7 when you already appeared SE8? better go for SE8 associate exam which will be launched in approx 2 months.

[Roel De Nijs]

Akshay Kumbhar wrote:But I'm wondering why you going back to SE7 when you already appeared SE8? better go for SE8 associate exam which will be launched in approx 2 months.

Because you can't afford to wait so long for example, because your employer requires you to get certified in the next month...

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

Roel De Nijs wrote:I think this is not true anymore and has changed.

When I look at the official Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 7 Programmer page, it's clearly mentioned that you need the Oracle Certified Associate, Java SE 7 Programmer as a prior certification. That path also makes more sense: 1st pass the entry-level exam before you can take the advanced exam.

Not so clearly. At the bottom of that page, it says:

Steps do not have to be completed in sequence, but certification will not be granted until all required steps have been completed.

[Roel De Nijs]

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Not so clearly. At the bottom of that page, it says:

Steps do not have to be completed in sequence, but certification will not be granted until all required steps have been completed.

True! Little bit contradictory in my opinion. I just created a service request to Oracle University asking to clear up this ambiguity. When I get an answer, I'll post it here.

[Akshay Kumbhar]

Roel De Nijs wrote:Because you can't afford to wait so long for example, because your employer requires you to get certified in the next month...

Then why to go for beta exam (just to save 50$). take 1Z0-803 and then 1Z0-804 back to back and results will be out same day.

[Roel De Nijs]

Akshay Kumbhar wrote:

Roel De Nijs wrote:Because you can't afford to wait so long for example, because your employer requires you to get certified in the next month...

Then why to go for beta exam (just to save 50$). take 1Z0-803 and then 1Z0-804 back to back and results will be out same day.

It was just an example, maybe not the best one But if you have to pay the exam fees yourself, it's nice you can save 200$ by taking a beta exam. And while you are waiting for the results of that exam, you can prepare yourself for the OCP part and take a non-beta exam.

[Roel De Nijs]

Roel De Nijs wrote:I just created a service request to Oracle University asking to clear up this ambiguity. When I get an answer, I'll post it here.

I already got an answer! Here it is:

OCP Team wrote:Dear Roel,

Thank you for writing to Oracle Certification Program Team.

Yes, you can pass the Exam 1Z0- 804 Java SE 7 programmer II exam before the prior certification Oracle Certified Associate, Java SE 7 Programmer .

Please note that there is no set order to complete the exams. You will earn your Oracle Certified Associate, Java SE 7 Programmer and Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 7 Programmer credentials once you pass all exams in the certification track .



You can visit our website at https://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=653&get_params=p_id:154#tabs-1-2 for more details.

Regards,
OCP Team

That's a crystal clear answer: you can take both exams in random order!

Kind regards,
Roel

[hemant dange]

Hi all,
if crack beta exam Oracle Certified Associate SE 8 1 Z 1 - 8 0 8 then is it equivalent to it's non-beta version? OR have to go for non-beta?.

[hemant dange]

is this true? because following bold contents are copy-paste from Oracle beta exam documentation "Passing a beta exam is the same as passing a production exam. For example, if you were to pass all the beta versions of the exams required within an Oracle Certification path, you will earn your Oracle Certification credential".

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

hemant dange wrote:is this true? because following bold contents are copy-paste from Oracle beta exam documentation "Passing a beta exam is the same as passing a production exam. For example, if you were to pass all the beta versions of the exams required within an Oracle Certification path, you will earn your Oracle Certification credential".

Yes. Passing the beta is just like passing the real exam.

[Akshay Kumbhar]

Yes. Its like passing real exam only. only thing is waiting part for result and extra questions.

[hemant dange]

Cracked Oracle Certified Java Associate Programmer I exam with 66%(i know it's very low) on 20th Feb 2015;decided to give Oracle Certified Java Professional Programmer II exam.Please guide me what will be the best ways to move forward in professional career as well as what the opportunities in IT industry?

[Roel De Nijs]

hemant dange wrote:Cracked Oracle Certified Java Associate Programmer I exam with 66%(i know it's very low) on 20th Feb 2015;

Congrats, champion! Well done!

hemant dange wrote:decided to give Oracle Certified Java Professional Programmer II exam.Please guide me what will be the best ways to move forward in professional career as well as what the opportunities in IT industry?

Based on your score on the OCA exam I would suggest to reiterate the material of the OCA exam at least once. Because the OCP exam will be much tougher than the OCA exam and will require a very good understanding of the OCA exam objectives as well. E.g. you still need to know the difference between method overloading and method overriding, but on the OCP exam some additional difficulties will be added like var-args, generics and so on.

Regarding opportunities in IT industry: always keep in mind that a certification doesn't guarantee a job as java programmer/developer. But if some candidates for a position appear to be equivalent based on experience and (technical) knowledge, a certification might make the difference.

Good luck!
Kind regards,
Roel