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Hi

Is there any Java topic in the book, over which you can not dwelve more into depper level (detail) to keep book format concise ?

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That's a very subjective question. I could certainly spend hours discussing the finer points of numeric casting and shift operators, but most of it is far out of scope for the OCA exam. There were some topics that we had to abridge, as the goal is to prepare you for ththe exam without overwhelming you with obscure examples.
 
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Abhay Agarwal wrote:Is there any Java topic in the book, over which you can not dwelve more into depper level (detail) to keep book format concise ?

For the OCA exam, nothing springs to mind. I think that's because the scope is limited to basic Java so"deeper" knowledge gets deferred to the OCP. For the OCP exam (the second book we were currently writing), I really wanted to write more about making regular expressions readable. I wound up writing a paragraph in the book and a blog post on what I really wanted to say.
 
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Abhay Agarwal wrote:Is there any Java topic in the book, over which you can not dwelve more into depper level (detail) to keep book format concise ?

I don't think this applies to the OCA study guide, because it's mainly Java basics and these things you really need to know in depth. Although I think the book doesn't cover every single method from Java API classes, like String, StringBuilder, ArrayList,... Because some of these classes have a gazillion methods and only the most common ones are likely to be on the exam (and thus covered in a study guide).

For an OCP study guide, it's completely different. You have a bunch of advanced topics and each advanced topic could have a book on its own (e.g. NIO2.0, JDBC, threads, concurrency,...).
 
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Roel De Nijs wrote: Although I think the book doesn't cover every single method from Java API classes, like String, StringBuilder, ArrayList,... Because some of these classes have a gazillion methods and only the most common ones are likely to be on the exam (and thus covered in a study guide).

That's correct. But I wasn't tempted to include those additional methods .
 
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@Jeanne - "(the second book we were currently writing)" - are you referring to Java 8 OCP book ( if yes, then, is oracle cert objectives for OCP Java 8 available ?)
 
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Abhay Agarwal wrote:@Jeanne - "(the second book we were currently writing)" - are you referring to Java 8 OCP book ( if yes, then, is oracle cert objectives for OCP Java 8 available ?)

Yes, it's the OCP Java 8 study guide. No the certification objectives are not yet available. But based on the OCP 7 exam objectives and the OCP 8 upgrade exam, you probably can have an educated guess on what the exam objectives will be. And you can add/remove stuff when the official eam objectives are publicly available. Using this approach, the study guide can be released much earlier than when you wait until the exam objectives are made publicly available.
 
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Roel De Nijs wrote:Yes, it's the OCP Java 8 study guide. No the certification objectives are not yet available. But based on the OCP 7 exam objectives and the OCP 8 upgrade exam, you probably can have an educated guess on what the exam objectives will be. And you can add/remove stuff when the official eam objectives are publicly available. Using this approach, the study guide can be released much earlier than when you wait until the exam objectives are made publicly available.

Exactly. The reason we were the first OCA 8 book out the door was because we started well before the objectives were released. We are doing the same thing with OCP 8. There is some re-work as Roel notes, but less than I would have expected.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
Roel De Nijs wrote:Yes, it's the OCP Java 8 study guide. No the certification objectives are not yet available. But based on the OCP 7 exam objectives and the OCP 8 upgrade exam, you probably can have an educated guess on what the exam objectives will be. And you can add/remove stuff when the official eam objectives are publicly available. Using this approach, the study guide can be released much earlier than when you wait until the exam objectives are made publicly available.

Exactly. The reason we were the first OCA 8 book out the door was because we started well before the objectives were released. We are doing the same thing with OCP 8. There is some re-work as Roel notes, but less than I would have expected.


Excellent !! Nice to know to you have started with future Java 8 OCP book. Best of luck. Let me know if I can be of any of your help in preparing that book (proof reading, content typing, reviewer etc).


 
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