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Hi


I have finished Master of Computer Applications and worked in a Bank for 4 Years. Later I joined Java Course to upgrade myself and worked for around 9 months as a Software developer(Java)
in a small software company. I took Post child Career Break for 2 years. Now, I want to come back to software development.

Please suggest me the options I have...

Thanks in advance
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Hi Surabhi,
You have all options! You've got experience, you've shown dedication and self improvement. Prepare you CV and get submitting it to roles, start practicing for the interview. Check out http://www.corejavainterviewquestions.com/ultimate-java-interview-resource-list/ for a good place to start!
 
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And welcome to the Ranch
 
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Thank you..

I am interested in Java Programming. I saw so many people saying, the Certifications will help to get into Programming.

Is it necessary for me to go for the Certifications? Will it helps for upgrading.

or Do I need to start searching for the roles?

Confused....






 
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Since this was two years ago, I am not sure if this is an option, but you never know this days... ... Did you leave your previous company on good terms? Or are you still in contact with some of your previous colleagues? If so, perhaps your professional network can help here.

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Yeh, it seems very strange to me that so many people on here rate things like the OCJP exams. For me and the people I work with, we do not rate this sort of certificate. It does nothing to prove your ability as a programmer, and just shows your ability to learn from a text book.

HOWEVER!

Not everyone is like me . There are firms that really do rate this stuff. If I were you I'd just apply for jobs anyway, and then if you feel it's something you want to do then you can do that simultaneously.
 
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Sam Atkinson wrote: It does nothing to prove your ability as a programmer,


Playing the game right consists of doing a succession of things that don't prove your ability as a programmer. A CS degree, for example, which trumps about a dozen of anything else you could name.

 
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A degree shows you can spend three years learning, in UK in a hostile environment (no money). It also shows you have learnt a range of knowledge, not only programming, and have created a little project. It demonstrates a wider range of learning than a certification.
 
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The OCJP shows that you are familiar with the API. Like, I don't want to hire you and then find out that you have no idea how to use ArrayLists. OCJP provides a nice baseline. You have passed OCJP means I know that you know (or can google up ) the standard Java APIs. If you don;t have OCJP, then I will be looking for something else that shows me that you know the basic API. This means that some of the interview time will be spent in probing your familiarity with Java API. If you have the OCJP stamp, I can spend more time probing your problem solving skills, or I can go more into specific technologies that you have used, and I have need for.


The thing is when I'm interviewing you, I'm trying to build a picture of who you are and try to fit it to what I need. Whether I hire you or not depends on how well that picture matches my needs. Since, I have limited time during the interview, that picture of you is going to have big holes in it, and it's going to be distorted and fuzzy. That picture is not you. That picture is a part of you. But that's all I have. You need 3 months to know a person professionally. I have what? 3 hours? If you want me to hire you for the real you, you can do an internship me for 3 months. If not, then then you have to accept the fact that I will be hiring you based on a distorted, fuzzy incomplete picture of you

Anything you can do to help me fill the picture helps me hire you. This could be certifications, college degree, sample projects, good communication, etc. Each of these things tell me differrent things about you. Certifications tell me that you know the bare minimum to pass that certification. College degree tells me that you have the intellectual capacity to learn. Sample projects show me that you know how to build stuff. Good interviewing skills show me that you are able to interact with non-technical people.

As much as it's my job to make an accurate picture of you, it is equally your responsibility to make that task easier for me. End of the day, if I have 2 candidates, and with the first one, I spent time talking about Java APIs, and with the second one I looked at the OCJP, skipped the standard Java questions, and spent talking about Spring/Hibernate, then I am going to hire the second guy. For all I know, the first guy might have been better at Spring/Hibernate, but I can't hire him because I can't take the risk.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:A degree shows you can spend three years learning, in UK in a hostile environment (no money). It also shows you have learnt a range of knowledge, not only programming, and have created a little project. It demonstrates a wider range of learning than a certification.


I couldn't agree more. But you did leave out "it proves your ability as a programmer."
 
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Guillermo Ishi wrote:

Campbell Ritchie wrote:A degree shows you can spend three years learning, in UK in a hostile environment (no money). It also shows you have learnt a range of knowledge, not only programming, and have created a little project. It demonstrates a wider range of learning than a certification.


I couldn't agree more. But you did leave out "it proves your ability as a programmer."



I agree with Sam. It most definitely does not "proves your ability as a programmer".

However, I also agree with Jayesh. It is a good baseline to have. If I know someone is certified, I can skip some of the interview, and "jump into the deep end of the pool". To use the analogy more, there is no need to test the candidate in the kiddy pool, when the candidate is a certified swimmer...

Henry

 
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I just thought it was ironic that someone who's all about interviewing dismissed certification so easily when that could be and perhaps should be the thing that prompts the interview.

My experience is like this. I've seen guys on here with CS degrees of some kind or another in the certification forums asking questions that show me what a long way they have to go before they could pass a certification test. For that reason if I was hiring a java programmer my order of preference would be degree plus cert, cert., and degree. But since the thing that actually proves ability is past performance, that is what I would consider most.

If I was looking for someone to administer some limping Microsoft network, my main concern would be certification! Anybody without that certification would have a long way to go to be of any use to me.

 
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