• Post Reply
  • Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic

Preparing for OCAJP(need guidance)

 
Sachin Tripathi
Ranch Hand
Posts: 368
3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hello everyone,I am new to this (OCAJP)forum
Reason for coming to this forum is quite clear(I started preparing for OCAJP).First a little bit of introduction
I started learning Java from 2 months(1to 2 hours daily). I have good understanding of atleast 60% syllabus of OCAJP (at least this is what I think).I like writing code too(intact I love them).I have written hundreds of them(related to topics in syllabus of OCAJP).
I have been reading about the concepts from Oracle docs. Haven't completed reading any proper book of Java(except done all the exercises of head first,was not sure to include this or not)

Now comes the list of questions:
1-From where to start?Should I complete reading any proper book of Java,or should I directly start with books for OCAJP?
2- I am taking this exam, to get the internship of my dream(along with the knowledge ,that I will acquire during its preparation).Will this exam helps?

3-In my classes ,they are teaching Java 8,and the resources for preparation present in Indian market is for Java 7,So which exam should I take?

4-I also learnt about junior associate exam that is intended for university scholar,so what should I do?

5-Do suggest some cheap and reliable resources for preparation

6-Tips for preparation?
 
Simon Roberts
Author
Ranch Hand
Posts: 170
7
Java Linux Netbeans IDE
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
You probably should study with a study guide. The exam tests many things that "regular college classes" (and similar) won't cover. It also probably gets to some territory that you won't bump into in daily programming, unless you deliberately search out and investigate "corner cases"

There's a long standing thread here:

http://www.coderanch.com/t/594049/ocajp/certification/Updated-OCA-study-materials

and if I may be permitted to point to my own "footer" you'll see that I have created a video training course. Though, since you specifically called out "cheap" you'll probably prefer a book

Good luck,
Cheers,
Simon
 
Sachin Tripathi
Ranch Hand
Posts: 368
3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks Simon
So if I should start with study guide.Which to prefer?There are lots in market.(I am confused)
If some one has Mala Gupta or k and B

Kindly point out features of it.(Good points and weak points) I just want to do one book ,(As I am taught to do less but do best)
 
Simon Roberts
Author
Ranch Hand
Posts: 170
7
Java Linux Netbeans IDE
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Well, obviously, you should watch my video class

Seriously, though, I'm not going to recommend; Bert and Kathy are long time personal friends, so you know what I'd say anyway...

I think books (and videos) are very personal things, so you should look at them yourself before you decide, and then decide for yourself. Which do you prefer the style of, which inspires you, stuff like that. I have every expectation that all reasonable options will contain sufficient, and sufficiently correct, facts. It's whether you can learn from it that matters. On that topic, I'll allow myself to add the note that Kathy in particular has long been an expert _teacher_--she largely taught me to teach, and she studies human performance intensely. Most book writers simply list "facts I know" which isn't really the same as teaching.

Oh, and as the Germans say "ask a dozen brewers, get thirteen opinions". I'm sure the same will apply to this question.

Good luck!
 
Sachin Tripathi
Ranch Hand
Posts: 368
3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I am surely going through your video lectures

In the case of k and B guide.The book is meant for (IZO 803 & IZO 804).I only need to prepare for IZO 803
Won't the topics will be messed up.

Kindly help me regarding this
 
Simon Roberts
Author
Ranch Hand
Posts: 170
7
Java Linux Netbeans IDE
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
As I recall Kathy and Bert organized their book in two sections based on the two exams.
 
Roel De Nijs
Sheriff
Posts: 10662
144
AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Sachin Tripathi wrote:1-From where to start?Should I complete reading any proper book of Java,or should I directly start with books for OCAJP?

As you are still a novice, you might benefit from reading a book on Java first (rather than a certification study guide). Many alternatives are available: Head First Java, Thinking in Java, Core Java, Deitel & Deitel, and so on. Or you could combine the Java text book together with an OCA certification study guide.

Sachin Tripathi wrote:2- I am taking this exam, to get the internship of my dream(along with the knowledge ,that I will acquire during its preparation).Will this exam helps?

A certification (even with a good score) will not get you a programming job (not even an entry-level). But it might make the difference between some equivalent candidates. It shows different positive aspects for a programmer: eager to learn, want to study and improve your knowledge (in your own time), you are up for a challenge, you have an eye for details,... But you probably not get a job just because you are certified. So a certification is never a guarantee for a job, but it may help turn the scale in your favor.

Sachin Tripathi wrote:3-In my classes ,they are teaching Java 8,and the resources for preparation present in Indian market is for Java 7,So which exam should I take?

If you want to use a certification study guide (which I recommend) and you can only find OCA7 study guides, you should probably opt for the OCA7 certification. But you can also start studying for OCA8 exam using a OCA7 study guide and use some (free) online resources (like Oracle Java tutorial) to study the specific OCA8 topics. And maybe in the meantime, an OCA8 study guide becomes available on the Indian market.

Sachin Tripathi wrote:4-I also learnt about junior associate exam that is intended for university scholar,so what should I do?

Don't take the junior associate exam. Go for OCA7 or OCA8 exam!

Sachin Tripathi wrote:5-Do suggest some cheap and reliable resources for preparation

I think the Enthuware mock exams are excellent value for money. It's without any doubt one of the best resources on the market!

Sachin Tripathi wrote:6-Tips for preparation?

On this forum you'll find plenty of tips for preparation. I'll list here a few of them (but there are plenty more):
  • how do you manage your time during the exam?
  • Any tricks about how to manage the 120 min for so many question?
  • A humble request for your process
  • Bad Experience with OCA 7 exams
  • Need some help after scoring 40% on OCA Exam 1 (K&B7)
  • Preparation advice for Certification Exam


  • Hope it helps!
    Kind regards,
    Roel
     
    Roel De Nijs
    Sheriff
    Posts: 10662
    144
    AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:If some one has Mala Gupta or k and B

    Kindly point out features of it.(Good points and weak points) I just want to do one book ,(As I am taught to do less but do best)

    Both books have good reviews on Amazon. Some people use K&B7, others use Mala Gupta and some use both books as complementary resources. From the latter group, some prefer Mala Gupta and others like K&B7. It seems that Mala Gupta's study guide is preferred by people who are learning Java and have none (or little) experience. I have read both and I think both of them are really good, it's a matter of taste. Have a look inside on Amazon, read a few pages and choose the one you like the most.

    I can think of two differences:
    1/ if you plan to take the OCP exam as well, you'll have with K&B7 one study guide which covers both exams. So you only have to buy one study guide instead of two.
    2/ Mala Gupta's study guide has one OCA mock exam, K&B7 offers two mock exams for the OCA exam (and another two mock exams for the OCP exam).
     
    Roel De Nijs
    Sheriff
    Posts: 10662
    144
    AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:In the case of k and B guide.The book is meant for (IZO 803 & IZO 804).I only need to prepare for IZO 803
    Won't the topics will be messed up.

    Simon is correct: the K&B7 study guide has two parts: one for the OCA exam (containing 6 chapters) and one for the OCP exam (with 8 chapters).
     
    Sachin Tripathi
    Ranch Hand
    Posts: 368
    3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Thanks Roel
    I just have two more question

    1-Combining text book with certification guide,what did you actually mean?
    (Is it-If have little or no Knowledge about any topic,then should go through text books before consulting study guide)

    2- Want to know all about enthuware(Will I need it from starting of my preparation, or should i consider them later,after completing once whole syllabus)
     
    Roel De Nijs
    Sheriff
    Posts: 10662
    144
    AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:1-Combining text book with certification guide,what did you actually mean?
    (Is it-If have little or no Knowledge about any topic,then should go through text books before consulting study guide)

    A certification study guide focuses on getting you prepared for the OCA exam. So it will focus only on topics required for the exam itself. A (good) Java text book will focus on learning Java. So just like you could use K&B7 and Mala Gupta as complementary resources, you could use either of them with a Java text book as well. If you first finishes the Java text book (and have created lots of code snippets) you'll be more experienced and it might be easier to understand the certification study guide contents.

    Sachin Tripathi wrote:2- Want to know all about enthuware(Will I need it from starting of my preparation, or should i consider them later,after completing once whole syllabus)

    You could/should use Enthuware to monitor your progress and your current Java knowledge. It also gives a good indication of your readiness for the actual exam. If you fail an Enthuware mock exam, you'll probably fail the actual exam as well. If I were you, I would finish a study guide first and then purchase Enthuware. Once you have purchased Enthuware, take the first Standard Test and your score will tell the complete story You'll know if you need to study (a lot) more or if you have a solid understanding of all exam objectives.
     
    Sachin Tripathi
    Ranch Hand
    Posts: 368
    3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    I have started preparing for OCA 7 just because lack of study material
    For OCA 8

    But OCA 8's study material really do exist
    Whose author is Jeanne

    So should I consider this book for my preparation (does it meet all the requirements of exam?)

    As I just want to be reading only one book for my preparation
     
    Roel De Nijs
    Sheriff
    Posts: 10662
    144
    AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:But OCA 8's study material really do exist
    Whose author is Jeanne

    So should I consider this book for my preparation (does it meet all the requirements of exam?)

    Yes, of course! This study guide covers all exam objectives for the OCA8 exam. This post has an overview of all available resources for OCA7 and OCA8 exams.
     
    Sachin Tripathi
    Ranch Hand
    Posts: 368
    3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    In India while I was ordering the book from Amazon I found 2 options
    Check them:www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/9351191524/ref=mp_s_a_1_1/275-7852238-5728850?qid=1440918698&sr=1-1&pi=SL75_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=mala+gupta
    And
    www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/1617291048/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/275-7852238-5728850?qid=1440918698&sr=1-2&pi=SL75_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=mala+gupta
     
    Roel De Nijs
    Sheriff
    Posts: 10662
    144
    AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
    • Likes 1
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:In India while I was ordering the book from Amazon I found 2 options

    Please use the URL-tag to post links to other sites, it's much easier for other ranchers. You can find both options here and here.
     
    Sachin Tripathi
    Ranch Hand
    Posts: 368
    3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:In India while I was ordering the book from Amazon I found 2 options
    Check them:www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/1617291048/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/275-7852238-5728850?qid=1440918698&sr=1-2&pi=SL75_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=mala+gupta


    Which one to select?
     
    Roel De Nijs
    Sheriff
    Posts: 10662
    144
    AngularJS Chrome Eclipse IDE Hibernate Java jQuery MySQL Database Spring Tomcat Server
    • Likes 1
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Sachin Tripathi wrote:Which one to select?

    It seems both are the same book, only the publisher is different. The study guide of Manning publisher has to be imported and therefore is more expensive than the Dreamtech Press one. Both have good reviews, so it's solely a choice of what you like. Pay a little bit more and get the original study guide (who everyone in the world has) or get the same study guide a little bit cheaper by a publisher from India (which is probably only sold in India). It's completely up to you!
     
    • Post Reply
    • Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
    • New Topic