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Rohit Dudhbhate
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Dear All,

I am preparing for Oracle Certified Java Associate Certification Java SE 7 Programmer I (OCAJP - 1Z0-803) now a days.

Is this certification is enough for entry level job in java field (in India, Mumbai)?

Also, please suggest me, i am confuse in between OCAJP 7 (1Z0-803) and OCPJP 7 (1Z0-804) two certifications.



 
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Whilst I don't know about the specifics of getting a job in Mumbai, I can tell you the OCAJP exam is the first one you will need to do. Once you have passed this, you can then do the OCPJP exam. If you already have a certification from an older version of the exam, then there is the upgrade exam you can take instead of either of these two.
 
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Welcome to the Ranch

I shall move this discussion to our exam forum.
 
Rohit Dudhbhate
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Thanks Sir,

I wanted to know whether i got entry level job after complete only OCAJP exam.

 
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Hi Rohit Dudhbhate,

First of all, a warm welcome to CodeRanch!

Rohit Dudhbhate wrote:Is this certification is enough for entry level job in java field (in India, Mumbai)?

I have 0.0 knowledge about the job market in India, so I can't really answer this question. But in general: a certification (even with a good score) will not get you a programming job (not even an entry-level). But it might make the difference between some equivalent candidates. It shows different positive aspects for a programmer: eager to learn, want to study and improve your knowledge (in your own time), you are up for a challenge, you have an eye for details,... But you probably not get a job just because you are certified. So a certification is never a guarantee for a job, but it may help turn the scale in your favor.

Rohit Dudhbhate wrote:Also, please suggest me, i am confuse in between OCAJP 7 (1Z0-803) and OCPJP 7 (1Z0-804) two certifications.

To become an Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 7 Programmer you'll have to pass two exams: the OCA 7 exam (1Z0-803) and the OCP 7 exam (1Z0-804). The first one is an entry-level exam covering Java and OO basics. The latter one is the advanced exam covering a bunch of advanced and complex topics like JDBC, threads, concurrency, generics, collections, file nio, and so on. It's exactly the same to become an Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 8 Programmer. You'll need to pass the OCA 8 exam (1Z0-808) and the OCP 8 exam (1Z0-809). You'll need to pass . Here you can find the differences between the exam objectives of OCA 7 and OCA 8.
Which one to choose? This forum has plenty of topics about this subject. It all depends what's important to you (e.g. money, available resources,...). In this thread you'll find an overview of all possible paths (OCPJP6, OCAJP7+OCPJP7 or OCAJP8+OCPJP8) you could take to become an OCPJP certified Java programmer. And this thread also contains some valuable information about which OCA version to choose. So I would advice to read these threads and if you still have questions or doubts, just hit the reply button and let us know!

Hope it helps!
Kind regards,
Roel
 
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Thanks Sir,

so how can i get entry level job in java field?
What qualification or certification required for the same?
I really want to do carrier in java field. how can i get it?
 
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Rohit Dudhbhate wrote:so how can i get entry level job in java field?

Work hard, learn hard, and write lots and lots of Java classes.

But none of the above will GUARANTEE you a job. All they will do is increase your chances.

Unfortunately, these days companies rely far more on automated filtering systems based on "buzzwords" to find prospective employees than actually talking to people, like they used to. So if they're looking for Java and Struts (or JEE or SCRUM or AJAX or JSON, or any of the other 1173 different TLAs they might be looking for), and you have one but not the other, chances are that you'll never even get to see anybody.

I've pretty much worked out that I'm unlikely to ever get a job as a programmer again (at least not through regular channels) because I'm:
  • Too old.
  • Too fat.
  • Too set in my ways.
  • Don't have enough of those ridiculous TLAs in my CV - or if I do, they're not "recent" enough.
  • Luckily, I'm at a stage in my life where I really don't have to worry about it - I'd much prefer to spend my time giving advice here than having some jumped-up teenybopper with 'Manager' in his job title telling me how to suck eggs.

    I presume you're in a different situation though, so the only advice I can give (beyond the first line) is:
  • Look through lots of job listings and find out what companies want.
  • Make yourself one of those people.
  • Nepotism still works; so if you know someone who already has a job, or have a relation who works for a company, ask them if they could at least get you an interview - because that's the big stumbling block for most people these days. What you do with it from there will be up to you.


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    Rohit,
    Welcome to CodeRanch!

    I agree with the other posters that you need more than just a certificate to get a job. And that you like need the two certificates (OCAJP and OPJP). Years ago, Oracle had one exam. They split it into two "for consistency with their DBA certs." The one exam used to be the first cert so people still expect you to have the equivalent - now two exams.

    IN addition to the "write lots of code" comment, I'd add "put it on github." It is helpful to have something you can point employers to.
     
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    Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Years ago, Oracle had one exam...

    Years ago, Sun had one exam - and you didn't need to take any of the ludicrous hierarchy of very expensive courses under your belt to take it either. Oracle has turned the whole thing into a money-mill now, which - if I was an employer - would actually make me less interested in the qualification.

    But that's me.

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    Winston Gutkowski wrote:
    Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Years ago, Oracle had one exam...

    Years ago, Sun had one exam - and you didn't need to take any of the ludicrous hierarchy of very expensive courses under your belt to take it either.

    There's still no course requirement if you want to become an Oracle Certified Professional, Java Programmer, you are only required to take two exams. There are other certifications (like OCMJD) where you are required to attend an (expensive) course. Since that decision was made, the once so vibrant OCMJD forum is almost dead.
     
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    Stuie Clarky wrote:I can tell you the OCAJP exam is the first one you will need to do. Once you have passed this, you can then do the OCPJP exam.

    Although taking first the OCA exam followed by the OCP exam, it's not a requirement. You can take both exams in a random order. You must take (and pass) both in order to be granted the Oracle Certified Professional, Java Programmer title.
     
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