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There are a lot of people admiring my car, since Tesla has became popular. I can easily say that at least 10 strangers stopped me to talk about it. And the stares from other cars, often from those very expensive ones like Porsches or BMW, are uncountable.





The thing is, that... I drive a Hyundai, not Tesla! The confusion comes from branding of my car. I don't have Hyundai branding as in the European market. All the branding is made as Tuscani, as in the South Korean market. The logo looks like this and people all the time confuse it with Tesla logo:



It's very cool. The car is getting a lot of attention, even from owners of expensive cars. I even joked to my friend, a 2014 BMW 7 owner, to do a swap, and she took it very seriously. If people only know it's a 2002 Hyundai, with 2.0 engine having only 136kW
 
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136kW? Doesn't that merit admiring looks anyway?
 
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Shows you how much more stock people put in brand names than in the product itself.

Regardless... sweet ride!
 
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If they start admiring your car too much:

 
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I drive the same car as you! Unfortunately in the UK it is called Hyundai Coupe and so the ladies don't even look at it twice!
 
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Here in the Netherlands there are a lot of Tesla Model S's driving around. There must be a lot of people with money here since the Model S costs a lot of money.

There's a Tesla factory here in the south of the Netherlands, in Tilburg. The Tesla's for Europe are built here.

I'm very curious to see how Tesla's affordable electric car is going to turn out, and if it's really affordable. It's supposed to come out in 2 to 3 years.

Put solar panels on the roof of your house, don't pay the heavy tax on gasoline, then you can drive cheap and clean.

I guess your Hyundai is not an electric car...!
 
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While I was attending the Scala days 2015 in Amsterdam, I was surprised to see a lot of Tesla's being driven as taxi's. It makes sense to me to use a carbon free car as a taxi, but given the price point of Model S, I was really astonished to see Tesla Model S Taxi's!
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:136kW? Doesn't that merit admiring looks anyway?


136kW is around 180HP. It's not a small amount, but not a big one either. Admiring looks are pretty cool, especially from people owning expensive cars. Mine is currently worth about 3000€

Ahmed, nice! There is a pretty big forum and a club of Hyundai Coupe in UK, they have a lot of people with great knowledge there. Their posts helped me in a bunch of self-made repairs or maintenance. Check it out if you didn't see it earlier: http://hyundaicoupeclub.co.uk/

Model S as a taxi, wow I would order a ride just to drive around in it Maybe the law in Netherlands makes it profitable for taxi companies to get electric cars. In example here in Germany, if you are a transport company and you buy 100% electric car(s) you get a very nice tax deduction along with a few other profits (which sadly I don't remember).

I am interested in the Tesla's "affordable car" as well. Here in Munich I see more and more of BMWs i3, which is kind of "affordable electric car" from BMW. I saw them starting from 35,000€. I think Tesla wants to release their affordable cars around this price as well.

To clarify, my car is not electric, it's a petrol consumer

Regardless... sweet ride!


Thanks!
 
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136kW is around 180HP. It's not a small amount, but not a big one either. Admiring looks are pretty cool, especially from people owning expensive cars. Mine is currently worth about 3000€

Ahmed, nice! There is a pretty big forum and a club of Hyundai Coupe in UK, they have a lot of people with great knowledge there. Their posts helped me in a bunch of self-made repairs or maintenance. Check it out if you didn't see it earlier: http://hyundaicoupeclub.co.uk/

Model S as a taxi, wow I would order a ride just to drive around in it Maybe the law in Netherlands makes it profitable for taxi companies to get electric cars. In example here in Germany, if you are a transport company and you buy 100% electric car(s) you get a very nice tax deduction along with a few other profits (which sadly I don't remember).



That is indeed a good forum, and I asked a lot of questions when my car needed repairs after an accident!

3,000EUR, wow, seems like cars in Germany are good at retaining value. How much mileage? How many previous owners?

My car is a 2004 model, it has had two lady drivers before me, it now has about 65,000 miles on the clock, and I will be lucky to be able to sell it for 1,500 GBP (~2,130EUR). In the UK, once a car goes past 10 years, the value starts plummeting.

I found it funny to see the taxis at Munich airport were Mercedes Benz - in the UK, a Mercedes Benz is a luxury car, and you rarely see them being used as ordinary taxis!
 
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Mine has around 60k miles, and I am 2nd owner. I have leather seats, A/C, 17" alloy wheels painted in mat black and nice tires: 265/45 summer ones (Michelin) and 245/55 winter ones (Goodyear), both sets were bought last year. Those things add up to the price of the car.

Those Mercedes-Benz taxis is not actually just Munich Airport thing, but it's common in the entire Germany. I rarely see non Mercedes taxis, most of them are the E-Class. Once I was talking with someone about that, I heard that Mercedes gives something like 15% for purchase of their cars (or maybe only for E-Class?) if it's going to be used as a taxi for at least first year or two, I don't really remember.



By the way, for this reason Uber struggles to get well in German market. I found one article, it's almost 2 years old, but I still do not hear anything about Uber here at all: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-11-30/uber-struggles-to-woo-germans-spoiled-by-mercedes-taxis
 
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Ahmed Bin S wrote:. . . My car is a 2004 model, it has had two lady drivers before me, it now has about 65,000 miles on the clock, and I will be lucky to be able to sell it for 1,500 GBP (~2,130EUR). In the UK, once a car goes past 10 years, the value starts plummeting. . . .

The biggest fall in second-hand prices is in the first year. It would have fallen from £11000 to £9000 within six months. 65000 is quite low mileage for an 11‑year‑old car, maybe not enough to affect the value, but a very low mileage car is likely to have worse wear to the engine etc than a very high mileage one.
Taxis tend to do very high mileages, so a diesel engine is an advantage. Mercedes were about the first manufacturer to build diesel cars, so they rapidly became popular as taxis in Germany. A taxi driver does not want a small car.
 
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In my opinion, mileage is more important than age of car (in matter of its reliability). If I would buy a 3 year old car, but with 125k miles already made, how long will I be able to use this car, especially if it's petrol engine?

And regarding old low mileage cars, a few months ago I met a guy who has a true pearl - BMW 3 from 1996... with only about 25k miles made, when he bought it 3 years ago. The previous owner was an older man, who was one of the "Sunday drivers", the ones that use a car only on Sundays to drive to a church. I was really shocked to see car this old with such mileage and in so great condition, both technically and visually.

And regarding high mileages, some time ago one guy in Germany passed the 999,999km mark with his 20 years old Volkswagen Golf TDI. The guy said that the car never had any major repairs and is still in great condition. Wow.

Another advantage of diesel engines for taxis is also price of fuel. At the moment, in Germany, Diesel costs 1.098€ per liter, while petrol costs 1.289€ per liter (1 liter is about 0.26 gallon).
 
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Adam Scheller wrote:. . . If I would buy a 3 year old car, but with 125k miles already made, how long will I be able to use this car, especially if it's petrol engine? . . .

125000 for three years is extreme, but you would probably get such a car at auction for £1000

. . . 20 years old Volkswagen Golf TDI. . . .

Obviously before the recent upgrade to the engine management software
 
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Adam Scheller wrote:Another advantage of diesel engines for taxis is also price of fuel. At the moment, in Germany, Diesel costs 1.098€ per liter, while petrol costs 1.289€ per liter (1 liter is about 0.26 gallon).


In the Netherlands, diesel is also a lot cheaper than regular gasoline (at the moment about € 1,16 / liter for diesel, € 1,46 / liter for gasoline). But on a diesel car you pay higher road tax, so that driving a diesel car is only cheaper when you drive more than a certain number of kilometers per year. For taxis it would be cheaper to drive diesel.
 
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@campbell, sure - the biggest fall is going to be in the first few years, what I meant was that in my experience, the rate of fall seems to steady and then the price starts plummeting again after the car goes past 10 years or so. So for example, the difference in price between a 7 year old car and 8 year old car with the same mileage might be 300 pounds, but the difference between a 10 year old car and 11 year old car with the same mileage seems to be around 500 pounds. It seems to me that 10 years seems to be the figure where people start getting worried that the car is getting old and will have problems and so the value just plummets.

@adam, 60k second owner - well, that would be worth more than my car in the UK even though mine is 65k so not too much in terms of mileage and I am the third owner. Does your car have full service history?
I did enjoy those taxis in Munich, I felt like a celebrity travelling in one

As for petrol vs diesel, there was an interesting article I read a few weeks ago ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

 
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That article mentions Teslas.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:The biggest fall in second-hand prices is in the first year.


That's true, and I am really wondering sometimes why people are buying new cars, when after the first year the drop of price can be really big.

If somebody has money and wants to buy some upper-class car like BMW then I would understand getting a new one, as you can configure it exactly as you want, and there are literally thousands of configuration combinations available. Also cars like BMWs and other similar brands gets their value degraded much slower than other producers, so there is much more time needed to get the value significantly degraded.

But now, when somebody buys a more ordinary car, what is the profit of overpaying? You can get pretty much the same car after a year for maybe even half of the price!

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Adam Scheller wrote:Another advantage of diesel engines for taxis is also price of fuel. (...).


(...) But on a diesel car you pay higher road tax, so that driving a diesel car is only cheaper when you drive more than a certain number of kilometers per year. For taxis it would be cheaper to drive diesel.


The road tax really depends on country, there are different rates and some countries don't even have such tax (like Poland, in example). But anyway, for high mileage drivers, diesel should be in most cases cheaper.

Ahmed Bin S wrote:@adam, 60k second owner - well, that would be worth more than my car in the UK even though mine is 65k so not too much in terms of mileage and I am the third owner. Does your car have full service history?


Yes, I have the full documentation.

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. . . 20 years old Volkswagen Golf TDI. . . .

Obviously before the recent upgrade to the engine management software


lol!

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