I have to disagree with you on this one Dave. Just the fact that someone (or someone's organization) paid for training does not imply anything about their level of knowledge of the product. What is to say that they didn't just sleep thru the class? The whole point of a certification is to ensure a bare minimum of competency on the subject for those that pass. How does just taking a course prove this? Basically the only people that are going to achieve the new BEA certification are: 1) Those with deep pockets 2) Those that work for those with deep pockets Requiring a single course (like Oracle) is acceptable. Requiring six courses (like BEA does for their new Architect Cert) is ludicrous. Apparently BEA's education division wasn't doing very well... [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: Chris Mathews ]
Chris, I understand what you're saying. First, I must say that anyone who can sleep thru 11 days of training deserves some kind of award (or the instructor does). Although I have sat thru portions of some older versions (3.x, 4.5.1) of these courses and they weren't very exciting - but I had practical experience at the time and so the material was nothing new. I also beta-tested the first (4.5.1) cert test. Got a polyester shirt - woohoo. Seems to me the training option is not a bad one, especially for folks that can swing it. But maybe it would make sense to require a passing grade on a quiz to get the cert. They still have the same cert exams, and some kind of test-out of the course work, I think. So just more options. Maybe it does change the value of the cert, but I'm not convinced. Anyway, it doesn't really matter to me. I am not big on certs. I know lots of folks on JavaRanch are. Maybe I just thought I'd push a couple of JavaRanch Pro-Certification buttons To me, the important thing is what you know and what you can do, not what papers you have pinned to your cubical wall. If you have the opportunity to gain knowledge thru training (or thru any opportunity), then grab it. If you can get a piece of paper and a shirt outta the deal then great. But know that neither the course work nor the test will really tell anyone if you can apply the knowledge that the paper claims you "learned".