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Priyavrat Kumar
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I personally prefer old view because it loads faster and is quite clean and detailed.
So, why not to have both the looks instead of one.
Discontinuing old view is not a good idea.
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It means we have two views to maintain. We have enough work maintaining one, and we chose for the new view.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:It means we have two views to maintain. We have enough work maintaining one, and we chose for the new view.


I'm sorry for the pain you have to take, but old view is better than new view according to me.
If not better then atleast faster.
 
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Priyavrat Kumar wrote:I'm sorry for the pain you have to take, but old view is better than new view according to me.

To me as well. I'm dreading the day the classic view is to be removed. I find the new view less comfortable, for lack of a better word.
 
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We know that many of our members love the old view, but we want to try something different. As our new view evolves and will support new features, the old view will get more and more dated and we don't want to keep it around if it eventually ends up broken.

We've had a couple of discussions here about moving to the new view, and we considered the opinions of all our members, but I think that matter is done.

At this stage, you can help us a lot by letting us know how we can improve the new view. Please offer concrete suggestions, and not vague statements like "make it work like the old view".
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:We know that many of our members love the old view, but we want to try something different. As our new view evolves and will support new features, the old view will get more and more dated and we don't want to keep it around if it eventually ends up broken.

We've had a couple of discussions here about moving to the new view, and we considered the opinions of all our members, but I think that matter is done.

At this stage, you can help us a lot by letting us know how we can improve the new view. Please offer concrete suggestions, and not vague statements like "make it work like the old view".

I have no complaints about change to the new view, that's your prerogative. I'm willing to use the classic view even when it is not full featured. I'm not interested enough to use the new view and comment on it, especially when all the comments will be to make it like the old one, which simply isn't helpful. When the change is forced upon us, i'll just have to see how it goes.
 
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I understand your plight, but I hope you see that it's not in our best interest to offer a view that we can't maintain.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:I understand your plight, but I hope you see that it's not in our best interest to offer a view that we can't maintain.

I appreciate the choice, even though i feel i would do otherwise.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:We know that many of our members love the old view, but we want to try something different. As our new view evolves and will support new features, the old view will get more and more dated and we don't want to keep it around if it eventually ends up broken.

We've had a couple of discussions here about moving to the new view, and we considered the opinions of all our members, but I think that matter is done.

At this stage, you can help us a lot by letting us know how we can improve the new view. Please offer concrete suggestions, and not vague statements like "make it work like the old view".


Can "new view" be improved to load faster even in slow Internet connection?
At present "new view" takes around 5x more time when compared to "old view" for loading in slow connections.
 
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Brian Tkatch wrote:I'm dreading the day the classic view is to be removed.

I'm also dreading the day when the classic view will be removed.

I think that the problem is that many of the staff here at JavaRanch (Bartenders, Saloon Keepers etc) are highly skilled in Java which is purely a back-end technology and not a front-end technology. Apart from Bear, I don't see too many staff who have front-end technologies as their main discipline.

There's something I find so puzzling. I don’t understand why Stack Overflow is worth millions of dollars and JavaRanch is not worth so much when IMHO JavaRanch is much more informative. I learn a lot from JavaRanch. I don’t understand how Stack Overflow can afford to hire former Microsoft general manager (Adrianna Burrows) when JavaRanch can’t afford to hire front-end developers.
 
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Daniel Cox wrote:There's something I find so puzzling. I don’t understand why Stack Overflow is worth millions of dollars and JavaRanch is not worth so much when IMHO JavaRanch is much more informative. I learn a lot from JavaRanch. I don’t understand how Stack Overflow can afford to hire former Microsoft general manager (Adrianna Burrows) when JavaRanch can’t afford to hire front-end developers.

That's obvious. They get more hits and as such show more ads, which brings in more money. SO was started by big names, was heavily advertised when it started, and started making money from the get go. It's population dwarfs the saloon.

There's less obvious reasons too. The saloon focuses on teaching, SO on answering. For people who just want a quick answer, SO is better for them. Also, SO awards good answers with reddit style voting, the saloon has a much more subtle thumbs up or the occasional cow. The rewards here might mean more, but you ding more often and more quickly on SO.
 
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I agree to Daniel.
StackOverFlow forum has quiet clean UI without compromising on features.
Although stylish UI looks good but many prefer simple, cleaner & faster look and feel over stylish and slow to load UI.
 
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The old view will be retired.

This is a really good time to create a detailed list of desired changes for the new view.



At present "new view" takes around 5x more time when compared to "old view" for loading in slow connections.


That is possible. In which case, we really need to figure that one out. Any suggestions on what the cause might be?


 
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paul wheaton wrote:

That is possible. In which case, we really need to figure that one out. Any suggestions on what the cause might be?




I don't have knowledge of web designing but I have compared the loading time of new vs old view.
As, I already said,
new view takes lots of time to load in slow connection while old view loads quickly.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:The old view will be retired.

This is a really good time to create a detailed list of desired changes for the new view.



At present "new view" takes around 5x more time when compared to "old view" for loading in slow connections.


That is possible. In which case, we really need to figure that one out. Any suggestions on what the cause might be?



Because I can, I just wanted to say I like the new look and am having no problems with load times. And this is on a six or 7 year old ASUS laptop. (edited to remove copious amounts of blank lines at the end of this.)

 
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I'm working on a feature to allow customizations to the new view which may help with some of this. (And it will be done before the old look is discontinued.) It would be really helpful to know what features people miss from the old view. Or if there are features in the new view that would be helpful to have the ability to turn off.

With respect to bandwidth, we have a mobile view that is extremely low bandwidth. You can access it in a browser at http://www.coderanch.com/forums/mobile

Re the "afford to" comment, this is a volunteer run site.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:It would be really helpful to know what features people miss from the old view.

The feature that I miss from the old view is quite simple really. I'm not fussy about new features because all I do is log on, click "recent topics" in order to catch up on the latest "gossip" and then log off. What I'm fussy about is the dark background. Lighter colours are easier on the eyes. With the new view, I feel like I'm in a dungeon.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:The old view will be retired.

This is a really good time to create a detailed list of desired changes for the new view.



At present "new view" takes around 5x more time when compared to "old view" for loading in slow connections.


That is possible.  In which case, we really need to figure that one out.   Any suggestions on what the cause might be?



Okay, here you go. I think it would be great, if there was an easier overview for the categories and it's forums.

Let's see what we have: 5 columns:
  • Categories -- which doesn't look like them. They look like some sort of advert or even settings. The focus in the new view is obviously in the center, where you have a higher contrast to the rest.
  • Best this year/month? You should add a side panel which contains stuff like that. Like WoltLab does it: https://community.woltlab.com/
  • Most Recent is a nice feature for the front page. But you should seperate it from the Top Forums. You can use responsive grids which wrap if the screen is not wide enogh. Then it should move above or below the Most recent.

  • The categories on the left side are useful, but *please* provide a single page that solely contains them. I do like the idea of a portal as the front page, but a seperate categories page would make it much much easier. Like this: https://pluginstore.woltlab.com/file/23-wbb-portal-2-2/

    (Sorry for the WoltLab focus, it's a forum software I've used for years and I'm comfortable with )
     
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    I'm not sure, but I think you said "to improve the load time, add more features."

    The topic before load time was making sure that the new look has the same features as the old look.  I think the stuff you are proposing is all new stuff.  Which is fine, but I think it should go into a new thread if that is the case. 

    But maybe I am missing something and this really does all tie together?
     
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    Christian,
    Are you looking for something like this page? If so, I think you are going to like a feature we are releasing on Saturday.
     
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