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Daniel Cox
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Hello moderators. I raised an issue concerning editing posts in this thread. I hope that the situation can be improved.
 
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The rules about editing a post are changing, and at the same time, they are the same as they ever were.

We have always said that people can edit posts "for a while".  I see that Henry once said something to the contrary - I'll leave that to Henry to correct himself. 

We have gone through a lot of different algorithms about editing, all in response to different issues.  Within staff, there is currently some disagreement about what the algorithm should be, so I asked if somebody could come up with algorithms that will work for all staff instead of some staff forcing their ideas on other staff.   So far nobody has opted to make a plan, so nothing is changing.

So the algorithm will always stay the same ("for a while") and I suspect that it will change a lot.  Comedy!

 
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paul wheaton wrote: I see that Henry once said something to the contrary - I'll leave that to Henry to correct himself. 


Actually, the "final" page being referred to (ie. the cow page) has already been fixed / modified. That page no longer mentions the relationship (as there is no longer a relationship) between editing and cows. As for the page that summarizes that page, I am not sure what to do, as there probably exist in many other pages too. I guess I can put a mention that the summary is wrong, and deal with others as they come up.

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Henry Wong wrote:...(as there is no longer a relationship) between editing and cows.

Is this correct? Since I have 1 cow, I am not able to edit a post; however, I have noticed that people with more cows are able to do so.
 
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Daniel Cox wrote:
Henry Wong wrote:...(as there is no longer a relationship) between editing and cows.

Is this correct? Since I have 1 cow, I am not able to edit a post; however, I have noticed that people with more cows are able to do so.

Are you noticing this with people with cows, or with staff (who happen to have cows)?
 
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What so far I have observed, I may be wrong
  • Greehorn or Ranch Hand having less than 5 cows can't edit their post once submitted, no matter whether that post is responded or not. No time period is given to change their post.
  • If you have at least 5 cows then you can edit your post but only for a particular period of time, no matter you post is responded or not.


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    You may or may not be wrong, Ganesh. But like the Trailboss said up there, the rules are (let's say) in flux right now. I expect the staff will get yet another version implemented soon, hopefully with a wiki page which explains how it works.
     
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    Yes I got that 
     
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    Daniel Cox wrote:I hope that the situation can be improved.

    It may help if you could explain what you consider to be "an improvement".
     
    Daniel Cox
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    I'm sure you're aware that in the past, a person with 1 cow could edit his/her post. Once a post had been responded to, they were no longer allowed to edit their post. Currently, no post edit is allowed for a person with 1 cow. An improvement will be going back to the way things used to be. Why can't you edit your post especially if no one has responded yet? If there is a valid reason why post edits are not allowed, it will be nice to know what it is. This thread looks clumsy because Monica Shiralkar could not edit her post.
     
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    Daniel Cox wrote:I'm sure you're aware that in the past, a person with 1 cow could edit his/her post.


    Granted that the edit feature is changing. And granted that the feature has changed a few times in the past... however...

    This is not true. There have never been a configuration of having 1 cow, and having an affect on the ability to edit posts. Sorry.

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    Daniel Cox wrote:Why can't you edit your post especially if no one has responded yet?

    As the Trailboss said, the rules are changing. The rules we had that enabled a user to edit their post before somebody else responded weren't working for the staff. We're working on new rules.

    For now (and this is good advice in general), use the "Preview" button to see what your post will look like, read it a second time, and only submit when you're happy. If it were up to me, I would prevent a user from submitting a post in the first place if they hadn't previewed it first.

    Daniel Cox wrote:This thread looks clumsy because Monica Shiralkar could not edit her post.

    With respect to Monica, that thread looks clumsy because she chose to post the same thing three times. Without an edit option, people can still clarify what they wrote in an earlier post without repeating themselves.
     
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    Henry Wong wrote:There have never been a configuration of having 1 cow, and having an affect on the ability to edit posts. Sorry.

    When I say 1 cow, I'm referring to myself since I have 1 cow. In the past I could edit my post. Ganesh Patekar's post sheds more light on this.

    Stephan van Hulst wrote:For now (and this is good advice in general), use the "Preview" button to see what your post will look like, read it a second time, and only submit when you're happy. If it were up to me, I would prevent a user from submitting a post in the first place if they hadn't previewed it first.

    Indeed it is good advice but it's like saying looking left and right before crossing the road will prevent accidents. Accidents still happen even if you're careful.

    Stephan van Hulst wrote:With respect to Monica, that thread looks clumsy because she chose to post the same thing three times. Without an edit option, people can still clarify what they wrote in an earlier post without repeating themselves.

    She wanted to correct a spelling mistake (benfit). It's clumsy to do a second post in order to correct a spelling mistake.

    Stephan van Hulst wrote:The rules we had that enabled a user to edit their post before somebody else responded weren't working for the staff. We're working on new rules.

    Maybe I can make a small suggestion here. I'm guessing it can be annoying to answer a question only to discover that the question has changed. Maybe you can implement a system to disable editing only when you start to answer a question.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion Daniel, we'll consider it as we're working on the rules.
     
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    These forums have been in action for ..... 18 years?   Zowie.

    I really, really, really like the idea that we have just one rule.   And it fits into two words:  "be nice."   And I could probably write a book on how happy I am with that.

    At the same time, crazy happens.  And rather than people getting out torches, pitch forks, tar, feathers and other angry mob gear - or to demand that their interpretation of "nice" beats up my interpretation, I like the idea that we lock certain features into the software which makes those problems go away.

    You might think "how could there possibly ever be a problem?"  What, you haven't met crazy people before?  I am learning that the definition of "crazy" is that you cannot possibly predict the wackiness that comes next.

    scenario 222:   dude posts a question.  a dozen lovely people help him find an answer.   Once the dude has the answer he deletes all his posts.

    scenario 223:   dude posts a reply.   Three days later, edits the post to be total spam.

    scenario 224:   dude writes 60 great replies.   Goes back to all of them and changes them all to be political messages.

    224.1:  gets hacked and they all are changed to spam.

    224.2:  changes them all to be hate messages directed at hate-of-the-day.

    So there is a sampling of a few of the things that have driven us to tinker with that edit button.  We would much rather talk about software engineering than stay on top of this kind of crazy. 

    At the same time, we want good, decent people to be able to make good, decent changes to their stuff.  But without taking up oodles of staff time.    So we are discussing some ideas.

    In the meantime .... the official time that the edit buttons appears has always been "for a while". And that will be changed to "for a while".  So, exactly the same and completely different. 




     
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