There are three kinds of actuaries: those who can count, and those who can't.
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable.
Beginners have enough trouble learning Java® without learning the IDE, too.Knute Snortum wrote:. . . after a poster confuses an IDE problem with a Java problem.
Barnes and Kölling invented BlueJ, which I remember well. I didn't like it at all, unfortunately.James Gosling in that Foreword wrote:Watching my daughter Kate and her middle-school classmates struggle through a Java course using a commercial IDE was a painful experience. The sophistication of the tool added significant complexity to the task of learning. I wish that I had understood earlier what was happening. As it was, I wasn’t able to talk to the instructor about the problem until it was too late.
Piet Souris wrote:How many times have I not read this on our forum:
Randy Maddocks wrote:Now, having noted all that, I respect Piet's bad experience with trying to use the command line
As you are just starting out it is recommended that you do everything through command line
Liutauras Vilda wrote:Reading Piet's post carefully, I get an impression, that every hard moment he had, lead him to think and look for solution. So he had to research, which I presume earned him a skill too - how to attack problem. He even tried to automate process. Doesn't it look like a real world problem programmers solving?
There are three kinds of actuaries: those who can count, and those who can't.
That sentence strikes me as slightly oxymoronic; how can beginners know whether they are going to understand an IDE?Piet Souris wrote:. . . I hope that every beginner can make a well informed decision about the subject. . . .
There are three kinds of actuaries: those who can count, and those who can't.
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable.
It doesn't sound very different from what I would do.Knute Snortum wrote:My take-away . . .
Please ignore post, I have no idea what I am talking about.
“The strongest of all warriors are these two — Time and Patience.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
If you don't do data, you don't do diddly!
I have suffered from BlueJ too. I know what you mean .Lom Scott wrote:. . . . I had never heard of BlueJ but . . . . I didn't like it . . . .
Lom Scott wrote:My biggest problem at first has always been getting it set up so the classpath points to the right thing, etc.
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable.
Knute Snortum wrote:
Lom Scott wrote:My biggest problem at first has always been getting it set up so the classpath points to the right thing, etc.
Do you mean using the command line option cp?
java -cp /path/to/Java/dir SomeClass
Lom Scott wrote:I'm an older guy and am coming back to Java after many years for fun.
I've started with using Notepad++ and the command line. My biggest problem at first has always been getting it set up so the classpath points to the right thing, etc. Once all that is working it's pretty easy. I had never heard of BlueJ but recently took a quick look. I didn't like it because it generated a bunch of stuff that might be useful to the brand new person but not for me so I'm sticking with Notepad++.
I'm not religious about this one way or the other. I believe if you install Netbeans that you have to install the option that installs PHP/HTML5 for it to set up the SDK for you. The option for Java only requires that you set up the SDK yourself.
In closing, if you DO go the command line route and your brand new, it may seem like at first that your learning at a snails pace. Actually, your learning more than you realize. If you start out at the command line and then later start using an IDE you'll be amazed at what you know.
With a little knowledge, a cast iron skillet is non-stick and lasts a lifetime. |