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hi all !

I would like to know, currently how well are these oracle certifications like OCAJP recognized and valued in the industry ?
 
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First let me point out that I'm not an employer or in recruitment in any way.

Here are a couple of articles which may help out, then again they may not:
  • http://www.infoworld.com/article/2956194/application-development/the-real-dirt-on-programming-certifications.html
  • https://www.utest.com/articles/certification-vs-experience-which-is-more-important


  • What I suspect to be true is that if there are two people "Jim" and "Fred". If they both have the same or comparable type and amount experience on their employment profile (resume, linked in, etc), then the person with the certification will be the first called in for an interview. So if Jim is OCAJP and Fred is not, then Jim will be the first person to be called. That is not to say that Fred won't be called, but Fred would only be scheduled/called after Jim is.

    I believe that there is value in certification, however certification only proves that at the time when you took the certification test you had a good grasp of the subject matter. If you are certified in a programming language such as Java, it does not mean that you are a good programmer.
    A good programmer (in my view) is fairly good to analyzing complex tasks, breaking them down and know what can and cannot be done in the time frame requested by the programming language/environment of needed for the project.
    There are many other traits like communication, behaving and dressing respectfully, time management and more that not only make one a good person, but a good programmer.
     
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    hmmm.... okay i read through your post and links..... i see a lot about Microsoft, Cisco and Google certs, Is a Java cert still being well recognized and valued?
     
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    It depends. Some companies are into certs and some are not.
     
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    Lilou Laure wrote:I would like to know, currently how well are these oracle certifications like OCAJP recognized and valued in the industry ?


    The real value probably depends on your current Java knowledge and level. If you are a Java greenhorn, you'll definitely benefit from preparing for this certification. Your Java knowledge will definitely increase and you'll get a solid understanding of Java and OO basics. If you already have (some) Java experience, you might learn a few new things but the biggest value will be taking the OCPJP certification exam and becoming Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 8 Programmer. And this certification lets you take any other Java certification (from Oracle).
    One of my former colleagues was an experienced developer (+15 years as a VB6 and .Net developer) but had very limited Java experience. So after she prepared and passed the OCAJP7 certification exam, her Java knowledge had drastically improved.

    Regarding a possible job position: a certification could definitely be useful if you are looking for a Java developer position, but it's certainly not a guarantee. Even with an OCPJP8 certification under your belt, it's still not a guarantee. But it might make the difference between some equivalent candidates. It shows different positive aspects for a programmer: eager to learn, want to study and improve your knowledge (in your own time), you are up for a challenge, you have an eye for details,... But you probably not get a job just because you are certified. So a certification is never a guarantee for a job, but it may help turn the scale in your favor. In this thread and this one you'll find some advice to increase your chances to get an entry-level job as a Java developer.

    All my certifications are on my resume, but I rarely get questions about them. And not even a technical question to verify if I really passed that certification. That might be because there are a bunch on that list. Or maybe because the employer finds experience much more important. But the main reason why I take/took the certifications is to improve my Java knowledge and to keep up-to-date with the latest improvements of the Java language and syntax, not to have some eyecandy on my resume.

    Hope it helps!
    Kind regards,
    Roel
     
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    Roel De Nijs wrote:Your Java knowledge will definitely increase and you'll get a solid understanding of Java and OO basics.


    I can defiantly attest to this. I spend the better part of 15 years working in with Classic ASP/VBScript with a few years with C# for work. For the last few years I've been hacking away at Android/Java and in a short time I've become comfortable with Java 8 and concepts like interfaces, abstract methods/classes and more thanks to my preparing for the OCA 1Z0-808 exam.

    Side Note: I think that ASP Classic became popular around 1999 or so and it does not have much in the way of OO.
     
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