Pete Letkeman wrote:I know that one cannot simply say that "if you are not Java certified you are still a beginner", or can they?
Paul Clapham wrote:I've been programming Java since about 2000 and I don't have any Java certifications. So, I'm not a beginner.
Tim Cooke wrote:Well shucks, you called me out by name I appreciate that. Thanks.
Tim Cooke wrote:When you say "generally speaking when I think of a solution to a problem, I don't think of it first in Java or maybe not at all in Java" I can't tell whether you are presenting this as a positive or a negative.
Tim Cooke wrote:Comparing yourself to others around you can be a really brutal exercise
Liutauras Vilda wrote:I think everybody here mandates quality. And if one thinks, he/she can solve problems in an elegant way, so the code would be well readable, maintainable - I think that "beginner" stuff starts fade away.
I know that one cannot simply say that "if you are not Java certified you are still a beginner", or can they?
Even if someone is Java certified they may not be the best programmer out there so they could be a beginner (maybe?).
Tim Moores wrote:So I would definitely not say that being Java certified makes someone a good programmer, or an advanced one. It's neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition.
Roel De Nijs wrote:Your Java knowledge will definitely increase and you'll get a solid understanding of Java and OO basics.
Pete Letkeman wrote:To me, personally, it does seem kind of strange to say that I am a beginner (which I know I am) yet I'm able to follow along with some posts and help out on some other posts at the same time.
I feel almost as though I'm not telling the truth when I say I'm a beginner.
Campbell Ritchie wrote:“meaningless”... I am a beginner
Campbell Ritchie wrote:Interesting discussion, but I am not sure it should count as “meaningless” nor “drivel”.
Campbell Ritchie wrote:I still make mistakes.
Liutauras Vilda wrote:But why to bother?
Liutauras Vilda wrote:If you see you can help - please do so. If you can't as don't know particular area - that is perfectly fine too.... ...Just forget that stuff and get move over it and do your stuff.
salvin francis wrote:Your post somehow reminds me of the Sorites paradox.
Paul Clapham wrote:So I recommend answering questions on forums as an approach to learning -- it seems like you've noticed that too but you're maybe unsure about trying it.
That is a bit like a lorry driver saying they are a beginner at driving lorries, but have many years' experience driving buses.
Pete Letkeman wrote:. . . Yes I am a beginner in Java, but I do have more then 15 years of computer programming . . .
Pete Letkeman wrote:Again my own internal voice/dialog doesn't always behave as I would like it to. So it comes back to some of my insecurities.