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Jan de Boer
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Did you guys ever made an article in Wikipedia? Did it ever happened to you that they deleted the article you worked on for several days, because it had no encyclopedic value? I am heavily frustrated! The entry was about a month old, and they could have told me before I put that much effort in it. Furthermore it is a political and religious sensitive subject, so .... I am probably too biased to judge but I feel censured. It was an article with references I investigated and statements I substantiated with sources. Not a little piece of work man!
 
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Unfortunately some websites have a reputation for deleting content. What do they mean about it not being encyclopaedic? If it is not the format of article they carry, then you cannot expect them to retain your article. That is annoying, but that is how it is.
Consider publishing it elsewhere.
 
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I guess the subject is not interesting for the *Dutch* Wiki. It is not the quality of the article. It is about a case that happened in Malaysia, a woman apostate from islam, now refugee in Australia. The article was already available in English, Indonesian, Malay, Chinese, Japanese and a few other languages. I got sympathy for her case and thought let me translate it partly and make my own version in Dutch. I could live with the argument that the case was maybe important in South East Asia, but not for the Dutch wiki. You could see that from the languages where it was available in. It could be more a 'local thing'. But you can imagine that I worked for a month every day a few hours on it, so it was there for a month already. I mean, tell me you want to erase it before I put so much time...



 
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I presume you still have the article, and still hold copyright.
 
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It is in my personal wikipage. I saved it in advance. So I can still put it somewhere else. Maybe I should take this to my own benefit and publish it on a website of my own! That way I could kill two flies with one stone. I get that experience in webtools they asked for in the jobinterview last week, and I can publish what I want.



(No I do not have my own website, so this could be a motivation and an opportunity.)
 
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Did you check the Talk page of the Wiki? It will sometimes name the reason for deletion, and there may also be a history of changes.
 
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Yes. I had a whole discussion with the moderators. It is for two weeks on the list to be removed, and after those two weeks, despite of my arguments, they deleted it. And they got very mad when I told them I thought the reason might be political. It maybe not political, sure. But if I look at the comments they make, their personal pages, they had an opposite view on politics compared to what I have. Could also just have been my disappointment after getting work flown down the drain.
 
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Jan de Boer wrote:I guess the subject is not interesting for the *Dutch* Wiki.

That is likely the reason. The notability criterion may be satisfied in some regional sites, but not everywhere. That said, translations of pages should be allowed regardless IMO - but that is apparently not how Wikipedia sees it.

Arguing that the reasons are political is of course bound to not achieve the outcome you were seeking.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:Arguing that the reasons are political is of course bound to not achieve the outcome you were seeking.


Yep, tell me about it. I know they probably just got angry and put me under close observation now.
 
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One purely technical question. Is there a reason why a Wikipedia (or something similar) would not want to have too many pages? I had the same discussion about a page that had information about a goal keeper. It got deleted because he hadnt played yet. I argumented that the page is in nobody's way, why delete it, and if he makes his first appearance create it again. Diskspace? Index size? Search time? I mean it is not that the encyclopedia is on a shelve like a real physical one, and you do not have enough space in your room anymore.
 
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Hardware is cheap. I think it is most likely findability and how long it takes people to find important things.
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
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