recruiters and resumes

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

I got this email from a recruiter:

I found your resume after conducting a search and thought you might be interested in our Sr. Software Engineer Career Opportunity
....
Please contact me at my phone number below in my signature. If you have a resume you can provide me with that would be helpful.

So he found my resume but needs a copy of my resume?

[Bear Bibeault]

[Campbell Ritchie]

First thing: I would phone him up to ask for his phone number.

[Tim Holloway]

Then he can send you a job application so that you can enter all the data that's on your résumé into it.

Actually, the more common form of that particular spam says it would like you to send an up-to-date résumé, which is a little more reasonable. Although what they really want is one tailored to their client's requirement  - using Java since 1936 but under 30 years of age (implied, since age discrimination is, nudge, wink, illegal). etc. And of course, the proverbial but statistically unlikely extended laundry list of other skills.

[Campbell Ritchie]

Requiring a laundry list is sexist, so that is discriminatory too.

And I was using Java® long before half past seven.

[Giovanni Montano]

Campbell Ritchie wrote:Requiring a laundry list is sexist, so that is discriminatory too.

And I was using Java® long before half past seven.

I will do the devils advocate. Just because we are devs and love logic.


As you maybe know see in the automatic completion system in Google what happens  if your write the string: recruiters are
So we are all on the same page:)  Sometimes they can be really fastidious, a friend of mine put the pokemons into his CV to not be bothered, and also instead of Data analyst, shoes analyst. Well has been contacted by a Chinese company leader for shoes that was looking for an analyst!


Outside from that
1)A linkedin  CV could not be updated.(or a monster one, or whatever is online)
2) The recruiter could add the last raw as a template, because they do not customize too much their request usually due to the amount of candidates they contact
3) An online resume' could be lacking several technical subskills, projects both for confidential or marketing reasons. One does not want always to show a comprehensive list of your own tasks, but often some bullet points. In that case the recruiter could have written an updated CV, but I  am not sure  about the correlation between IQ and recruiters.
4) Also in my company(corporation with dedicated HR 50+ people resources) when one asks for advancement to apply internally they immediately ask for a new CV, as a CV needs also to be a minimum tailored to the position you are looking into.

[Ankur R Jain]

Bear Bibeault wrote:

I really like this dog, so cute.

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

Giovanni: Nice on the Google autocomplete! Yes, those would be reasonable reasons. Except that my resume is not online in the first place. This and this are the closest things that are. So it is clearly boilerplate and not that he was looking at my resume.

Tim: yes, an up to date resume would be a reasonable ask.

Bear: LOL! I see your image collection extends beyond bears.

[Randy Maddocks]

Tim Holloway wrote:using Java since 1936

Campbell Ritchie wrote:And I was using Java® long before half past seven

It took me a few seconds, but when I got it, it made my day.    

Good catch Jeanne, where the "recruiter" asks for a copy of your resume that he "supposedly" already has. My dad always told me: when in doubt, or it doesn't feel right in your gut, trust your instincts, or you could get scammed. And he told me that before Internet scammers were around.

Sort of on-topic: Our IT Security team quite often will test internal users to try and catch them off-guard. On one occasion they created a fake LinkedIn profile, which, I have to note, looked authentic (the "person" was a Director of Technical Services at Microsoft, had a nice profile picture and all), with an invitation for users to respond to the profile and provide some information about themselves. Before I start sounding condescending about users who fell for it, I honestly admit I was almost fooled by it as well (and I had been in a technical/security role in IT for several years before becoming a developer). But some users not only responded to it, they provided waaaay too much personal info. At our next IT gathering the security team got up and did their presentation about it. Without giving away employee names, they showed just how much information the fooled users provided - name, address, phone number, job title and description, employer...The point, of course, was to show how easy it is to fall for these nefarious scammers, and how to be more knowledgeable in identifying what is and isn't authentic/malicious.

[Giovanni Montano]

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Giovanni: Nice on the Google autocomplete! Yes, those would be reasonable reasons. Except that my resume is not online in the first place. This and this are the closest things that are. So it is clearly boilerplate and not that he was looking at my resume.

@Campbell, @Jeanne

@RC
I got it now your joke, fantastic indeed, what a conundrum

@Jeanne
Actually makes perfectly sense now!  Recruiters use linkedin premium subscriptions. If I am looking for Senior Java I am going to make a search for tags java and you got 54 endorsement (maybe 55 if you accept my invitation), then you worked a trilion of eons in the field so the  years of experience result from their algorithms, that make enough to see you as a candidate. So they open your profile,
and see a lot of certifications, recommendations, usually they take 30 second(seriously) at that point you get the point of pre screening, that means
if you are going to send me the real CV( since you do not have bullet points) then I am starting to consider you seriously, that means 4-5 min reading your CV,
and then I will ask you a phone call.

It is clear, and I will not be surprised you will get again the CV request.

I am not a real dev, but a wannabe, and recruiters never call me, as soon as I asked to my friends to give to me  Android endorsements, and
I wrote that i am an independent dev in the title, publishing my stackoverflow profile, i received in 2 months 15 recruiters mails asking me my CV, then when I say them that I do not have experience they just do not reply anymore.
Differently by you I wrote a lot also the size of the shoes of my second dog passed away 10 years ago.
And still... they are asking me my CV.... So makes sense.
Recruiters are just human brokers. They look for the match and do not think one second they could bother you or not.
They just spam, and play the number game.
I think really soon with machine learning recruiters will disappear and companies will match you directly.
At the moment you cannot avoid them,  a tip: what my friends do is just to put in their profile that are not interested in recruiters and will not reply to the emails.
easy

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

Oh, I get plenty of emails from recruiters; that doesn't surprise me. This is the first time they claim to have seen a resume and asked for one. So I was entertained .

[Tim Cooke]

I always had an idea to play with recruiters by putting a CV (resume) out there with phrases such as "I know very little about JavaScript", "I'm terrible at C++", "I have never used Ruby", just to see how many calls I get for C++, JavaScript, and Ruby jobs.

I'm not brave enough to actually do it.

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

Tim Cooke wrote:I'm not brave enough to actually do it.

Seems like a fake name and fake email would be in order there!

[Wendy Gibbons]

Randy Maddocks wrote:

Tim Holloway wrote:using Java since 1936

Campbell Ritchie wrote:And I was using Java® long before half past seven

It took me a few seconds, but when I got it, it made my day.    

Good catch Jeanne, where the "recruiter" asks for a copy of your resume that he "supposedly" already has. My dad always told me: when in doubt, or it doesn't feel right in your gut, trust your instincts, or you could get scammed. And he told me that before Internet scammers were around.

Sort of on-topic: Our IT Security team quite often will test internal users to try and catch them off-guard. On one occasion they created a fake LinkedIn profile, which, I have to note, looked authentic (the "person" was a Director of Technical Services at Microsoft, had a nice profile picture and all), with an invitation for users to respond to the profile and provide some information about themselves. Before I start sounding condescending about users who fell for it, I honestly admit I was almost fooled by it as well (and I had been in a technical/security role in IT for several years before becoming a developer). But some users not only responded to it, they provided waaaay too much personal info. At our next IT gathering the security team got up and did their presentation about it. Without giving away employee names, they showed just how much information the fooled users provided - name, address, phone number, job title and description, employer...The point, of course, was to show how easy it is to fall for these nefarious scammers, and how to be more knowledgeable in identifying what is and isn't authentic/malicious.

A customer has given me a laptop to access their systems. I got a dodgy email, so did the correct thing, went into google to search the company claiming to want to talk to me. had I heard of them etc. Well chrome went boom, telling me not to worry as it was a phishing test.
Well i am really pissed off now as their reports will say I failed it.