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Hello.

I was going to start preparing for Java EE 1Z0-899 (Web Components) certification. However, the latest certification is only for Java EE 6, which seems a bit old. Does anybody know whether Eclipse foundation will provide Jakarta EE (new Java EE) certification? Maybe I should postpone and wait for newer versions?
 
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I think you'll have a long wait. The new group hasn't expressed an interest in creating a certification. And even if they did, they have a bunch of higher priorities.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you'll have a long wait. The new group hasn't expressed an interest in creating a certification. And even if they did, they have a bunch of higher priorities.


@Jeanne, do you think the OCEJWCD and OCEJPAD are still relevant and worth to take in 2018?
 
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Roman Vintonyak wrote: @Jeanne, do you think the OCEJWCD and OCEJPAD are still relevant and worth to take in 2018?



As Jeanne said I don't think we're going to have Jakarta EE certification anytime soon or at all.

The current certifications exist because Oracle was heavily invested in Java EE back then but Oracle's current interest in Java EE/Jakarta EE is at best minimal, even when they're strategic members they let down Java EE in the past and I just don't trust them.

Jakarta EE development is under the Eclipse foundation, I don't think the Eclipse Foundation is going to have any interest in creating certifications, certifications are kinda controversial, anybody starting that conversation will start a long and heated discussion. Maybe if their members push for it we might get them but I doubt it.

Jakarta EE is more in the "open source" vibe, in the community vibe and it's very uncommon for these kind of community efforts to offer certifications, maybe training by some of the members but not certifications.

Now, about the value of the existing Java EE certifications. You're right, they're from an old version of Java EE but it's all we got.

I'd say they're relevant and even worth taking but maybe not for the reason you may be interested in these certifications. I think they're relevant and have value because if you study in detail the material you need to pass the OCEJWCD exam it will make you learn details about Servlets, Filters, JSP, EL, application security, etc. It's worth it because all those things represent the fundamentals of Java Web development, even in 2018, even if you're using Spring or you're into microservices and other new ways of doing things they're still valid and relevant because at some point you will deal with these things.

Even more important, not everybody is using the latest trends, particularly in corporate environments, they're still using Java EE 6/7 (even previous versions) and in corporate environment moving to the next new thing is not a priority, stability and availability of support is so having the knowledge you get by preparing for the exam will be very useful in the Java Web development world.

Regarding your concern about the version of the certification (Java EE 6). After passing the certification exam you can read a book or take a video course about "What's new in Java EE 7", the changes are important but not radical and you will just need to learn about new features and improvements which is not a difficult task once you know Java EE basics in detail.

In conclusion the value is in the knowledge you'll acquire which is still relevant and worth to learn, the actual certification may or may not be useful, it will depend on each employer but the knowledge will be appreciated by any employer and I'm pretty sure you won't have any regrets when working with Java EE 6/7/8 or Jakarta EE.
 
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Roman Vintonyak wrote:

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you'll have a long wait. The new group hasn't expressed an interest in creating a certification. And even if they did, they have a bunch of higher priorities.


@Jeanne, do you think the OCEJWCD and OCEJPAD are still relevant and worth to take in 2018?


Sorry, I missed this. I'm not familiar with the OCEJWCD or OCEJPAD certifications so I have no opinion on the matter.

I took the OCA/OCP (many versions) and SCEA/OCMJEA.
 
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Ragnar McRyan wrote:

Roman Vintonyak wrote: @Jeanne, do you think the OCEJWCD and OCEJPAD are still relevant and worth to take in 2018?



As Jeanne said I don't think we're going to have Jakarta EE certification anytime soon or at all.

The current certifications exist because Oracle was heavily invested in Java EE back then but Oracle's current interest in Java EE/Jakarta EE is at best minimal, even when they're strategic members they let down Java EE in the past and I just don't trust them.

Jakarta EE development is under the Eclipse foundation, I don't think the Eclipse Foundation is going to have any interest in creating certifications, certifications are kinda controversial, anybody starting that conversation will start a long and heated discussion. Maybe if their members push for it we might get them but I doubt it.

Jakarta EE is more in the "open source" vibe, in the community vibe and it's very uncommon for these kind of community efforts to offer certifications, maybe training by some of the members but not certifications.

Now, about the value of the existing Java EE certifications. You're right, they're from an old version of Java EE but it's all we got.

I'd say they're relevant and even worth taking but maybe not for the reason you may be interested in these certifications. I think they're relevant and have value because if you study in detail the material you need to pass the OCEJWCD exam it will make you learn details about Servlets, Filters, JSP, EL, application security, etc. It's worth it because all those things represent the fundamentals of Java Web development, even in 2018, even if you're using Spring or you're into microservices and other new ways of doing things they're still valid and relevant because at some point you will deal with these things.

Even more important, not everybody is using the latest trends, particularly in corporate environments, they're still using Java EE 6/7 (even previous versions) and in corporate environment moving to the next new thing is not a priority, stability and availability of support is so having the knowledge you get by preparing for the exam will be very useful in the Java Web development world.

Regarding your concern about the version of the certification (Java EE 6). After passing the certification exam you can read a book or take a video course about "What's new in Java EE 7", the changes are important but not radical and you will just need to learn about new features and improvements which is not a difficult task once you know Java EE basics in detail.

In conclusion the value is in the knowledge you'll acquire which is still relevant and worth to learn, the actual certification may or may not be useful, it will depend on each employer but the knowledge will be appreciated by any employer and I'm pretty sure you won't have any regrets when working with Java EE 6/7/8 or Jakarta EE.



thanks for such a great answer! Now I have a strong decision to take the certification
btw I'm not using Spring for my current project, I leverage Jave EE 7.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:

Roman Vintonyak wrote:

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you'll have a long wait. The new group hasn't expressed an interest in creating a certification. And even if they did, they have a bunch of higher priorities.


@Jeanne, do you think the OCEJWCD and OCEJPAD are still relevant and worth to take in 2018?


Sorry, I missed this. I'm not familiar with the OCEJWCD or OCEJPAD certifications so I have no opinion on the matter.

I took the OCA/OCP (many versions) and SCEA/OCMJEA.



Thank you also, Jeanne. Using the moment, I'd like to say your books really helped me to earn OCA and OCP. You're doing a great job!
 
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Hi, maybe this certification is interesting for you:
Java EE 7 Application Developer | 1Z0-900
https://education.oracle.com/java-ee-7-application-developer/pexam_1Z0-900
 
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Where to go after OCP?

I will take the Java SE 8 Programmer II (1Z0-809) exam at 21 Aug.

After that, is it worth to go to Java EE 7? Or would it be better to go to Spring Professional Certification? Or where else?
 
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Any news on eclipse foundation providing the new jakarta EE certifications?
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A quick search reveals nothing.

Certs are, as previously noted, controversial. Programming certs are generally of the cram-and-barf stripe which really doesn't reveal professional competence. The only certs I really respect are those earned by practical demonstration of abilities ­— something that's no big deal if you're showing you can bring up a server or set up a network, but not really easy when you consider that any serious programming project is going to take days at a minimum. Not something you can just sit for.

Sun/Oracle were/are vendors. Vendors love to provide expensive training courses and certs or "diplomas" If my estimates of expenses-to-income are accurate based on courses I've taken, they can be quite profitable and in the case of Java, anything that even smells of profit is attractive. Java is a great many things, but profitable isn't one of them (at least to the owners of Java). Apache/Eclipse/Jakarta, on the other hand are non-commercial organizations and it is neither necessary nor perhaps desirable for them to get into the certification business. Third parties might want to take up the slack, but since third parties are not the ultimate authorities on JEE standards, their relative cachet is much less impressive.

As an aside, too many certs are a red flag for me anyway. I wouldn't be hiring for the position of professional exam-taker.
 
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