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I'm much more comfortable with back end development then front end development. Plus my back end skills are much better then front end skills. Given that, should I apply to jobs clearly stating full stack developer wanted or should I stay away from them?
 
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Are you entry level? I know you are new to Java, but not if you are coming from another language.

The reason I ask is that entry level people aren't expected to know as much so it is a more clear opportunity to learn/be mentored.
 
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Some would say that I am entry level when it comes to Java development, however I do have a number of years of experience as a developer in other languages/environments.
Designing/front end GUI/aesthetics have always been a trouble spot in my skill set.
 
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Experience with other languages makes you non-entry level. So you don't have the "oh, he's new to programming so we will train him a lot" thing doesn't work. Also, you've already tried it and not liked it.

 
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Interesting observations thank you Jeanne. I think that I will apply for full stack jobs when I see them.
I can do some of the aesthetics to a degree, however it does not very come easily for me, therefor it takes bit longer.
 
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Pete Letkeman wrote:Interesting observations thank you Jeanne. I think that I will apply for full stack jobs when I see them.
I can do some of the aesthetics to a degree, however it does not very come easily for me, therefor it takes bit longer.


Ah, so you don't hate it .

Larger companies will probably have an actual designer. So you'd be writing CSs and JavaScript, but not necessarily designing.
 
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No I do not hate it, but I'm not too good at it either.
I can do some CSS and JavaScript and a few things with Bootstrap, but if you ask me to come up with a design or even a color scheme then you most likely won't be too happy with the end result.
I think that the reason is that I tend to try and figure things out, so a bad user interface is still a user interface and I'll use it (or create it) so that I can get my task done.

A few times in the past I've simply created a two or four column table, for the label controls and controls to get things done.
Then I became blind to the obvious design flaws and went on to programming other parts.

It is kind of tough to know what the job posting actually means when they say "Full Stack". Not everyone seems to define this term the same way.
 
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Agreed. I like layout/usability/interaction. But color schemes; well, it is good there is the internet!
 
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The idea that the same person should be responsible for secure, performant, and reliable workings on a webapp and also be capable of creating an artistic masterpiece of a front-end grinds my gears no end.

Those are two very different skillsets and the number of people who can be masters of both without neglecting one or the other is not that large. Certainly it doesn't include me. I can do a fairly good GUI control set, but people mock my color choices and you do NOT want my artwork to represent your company. The best I can claim is that I won't abuse visitors to auto-playing videos.

The whole idea that one person should do it all is simply another case of companies being too cheap to staff up. Oh, and did we mention you'll also be acting as the DBA, network administrator, and write all the documentation?  
 
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I'm not experienced enough to know the latest ins and outs of HTML and CSS, but if you have a good mock up with a manual of what you want a site to look like, and some patience, I can probably make a nice responsive website. I think most programmers would be able to do that, if they take the time to learn markup and styling. The problem is that people use the term front-end developer as a synonym for UI designer.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:The problem is that people use the term front-end developer as a synonym for UI designer.


And most likely UX too.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:I'm not experienced enough to know the latest ins and outs of HTML and CSS, but if you have a good mock up with a manual of what you want a site to look like, and some patience, I can probably make a nice responsive website. I think most programmers would be able to do that, if they take the time to learn markup and styling. The problem is that people use the term front-end developer as a synonym for UI designer.



I'm quite proficient with HTML and CSS.

But that doesn't make me a master of the Graphic Arts.

My talents lie elsewhere.
 
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