Replying to messages about problems with posts

[Harry Kar]

Indeed i was surprised too hence i reported it  here

PS:
1. by the way i got that  msg which i can't reply because Staff is not a valid user name
From: Staff
To: Harry Kar
Date: Today 5:19:26 AM
Subject: attention required: your post requires editing
Unfortunately your post in this thread https://coderanch.com/forums/posts/preList/702498/3293686 does not quite meet our publishing standards. However, instead of deleting it now, we'd like to give you an opportunity to edit it, because we believe you can make it an excellent post. The specific problem was: There's a trailing = in your link that makes it invalid. Can you fix?

2. Also that one
From: Staff
To: Harry Kar
Date: 10/25/2018 10:57:57 PM
Subject: attention required: your post requires editing before being shown in the forums
Unfortunately your post in this thread https://coderanch.com/forums/posts/preList/701028/3287918 does not quite meet our publishing standards and we needed to temporarily hide it from view.  Once you edit your post to fix this, it will automatically be sent to a moderator for approval.  The specific problem was: This is off-topic for the post. Please ask this question in a new topic of you are really interested in the answer.

[Tim Moores]

There's no need to reply to those messages - just edit your posts accordingly, and they will be published. As it is, the URL is still invalid.

By the way, Meaningless Drivel is not really a good forum to post about things like the Joel Test - it's for less-than-serious or non-tech topics (assuming that you intended to get a serious discussion on this going).

[Harry Kar]

Tim Moores wrote:There's no need to reply to those messages - just edit your posts accordingly, and they will be published. As it is, the URL is still invalid.

Sorry the silliness of my some questions :
1. but seems Im not still able to use the message thing till now i have only replied there  but not originate & send a msg yet. . i notice 2 fields for the name the 1rst and surnamethe second? Why Staff is not a valid name? In the 2nd msg i don't get the OT i respond about the Eclipse's use ; behind those messages is a bot or persons ?

By the way, Meaningless Drivel is not really a good forum to post about things like the Joel Test - it's for less-than-serious or non-tech topics (assuming that you intended to get a serious discussion on this going).

Yeah i know that's still an issue for me can't decide what is the right forum (here are too many) maybe Design's  forum? I thought hoppefully someone with more experience and rights have moved it to the right forum

[Campbell Ritchie]

Topic split from this MD threa‍d.

[paul wheaton]

This is a relatively new feature, and we currently have a long list of changes to improve it, and when those changes are done, I think we will come up with even more changes.   As is, we have an all volunteer staff, and changes are made with volunteer developers.   It could be a while.  

So, for now, we make the best of it.

[Harry Kar]

paul wheaton wrote:This is a relatively new feature, and we currently have a long list of changes to improve it, and when those changes are done, I think we will come up with even more changes.   As is, we have an all volunteer staff, and changes are made with volunteer developers.   It could be a while.  

So, for now, we make the best of it.

Thanks Paul

This is a relatively new feature

mean is in preparation a mod bot feature? or the mod feature is applied recently here?

In the list  I want  add an little further explanation(if is not a problem/hassle for the mod ) or better suggestion on what to do to correct the problem e.g. in the 2nd message i can't understand the OT and hence how to correct i guess also i can't delete the post    

[paul wheaton]

The new feature in production now is:  leave the post up, but give the author a chance to make an edit. If the author doesn't edit it within ____ days, then delete it.

The upcoming feature will be called almost-a-post.   It will merge the above feature with the "probation post" feature and add a lot of controls and stuff.   At the same time, we hope that we get all of the user edit button stuff implemented.

[Harry Kar]

paul wheaton wrote:The new feature in production now is:  leave the post up, but give the author a chance to make an edit. If the author doesn't edit it within ____ days, then delete it.

The upcoming feature will be called almost-a-post.   It will merge the above feature with the "probation post" feature and add a lot of controls and stuff.   At the same time, we hope that we get all of the user edit button stuff implemented.

seems good stuff
The software is Open? in what language is written what technology follow and in case where's placed the code?

[Tim Moores]

This site is implemented as a Java web app. It is not open source.

It is originally descended from the JForum software which you'll find on SourceForge, but it's diverged significantly from it.

[Harry Kar]

Tim Moores wrote:This site is implemented as a Java web app. It is not open source.

It is originally descended from the JForum software which you'll find on SourceForge, but it's diverged significantly from it.

Thanks Tim
No one have ever written site's  history? e.g. For what reason was forked why isn't FOSS but closed etc? i guess was interesting

[Tim Moores]

This site has a lot of features that stock JForum didn't offer back then (and doesn't offer now), so a fork made sense. As far as I can make out from old discussions, going open source was considered, but eventually judged to be too much ongoing work that nobody wanted to take on. It's not under consideration any longer. Some of the new features have found their way back into JForum2, which is the current incarnation of the original software, though.

You may find https://coderanch.com/wiki/659995/Forum-Software and https://coderanch.com/wiki/659923/Reading-Ranch-JForum interesting.

[Harry Kar]

Thanks Tim

Tim Moores wrote:...but eventually judged to be too much ongoing work that nobody wanted to take on....

Strange normally what happens is  the opposite because the work is distributed in much more persons so the load per person almost proportionally descends

[Henry Wong]

Harry Kar wrote:
Strange normally what happens is  the opposite because the work is distributed in much more persons so the load per person almost proportionally descends

There is a difference between theory and practice. In practice, most open source projects, with the exceptions of the big hyped ones, just stagnate -- and arguably fail. Heck, even the original JForum has been in stagnation for years.

Henry

[Tim Moores]

Henry Wong wrote:In practice, most open source projects, with the exceptions of the big hyped ones, just stagnate -- and arguably fail.

I wouldn't go that far, but certainly the ones that depend mainly on a single developer do. Priorities and interest almost always change at some point, and if there isn't a team in place at that point, or indeed a community, stagnation and obsolescence will likely follow.

Heck, even the original JForum has been in stagnation for years.

At least that one was picked up by others and continued as a fork. SourceForge in particular is full of abandoned projects, not all of which deserved to die.

[Harry Kar]

Henry Wong wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:
Strange normally what happens is  the opposite because the work is distributed in much more persons so the load per person almost proportionally descends

There is a difference between theory and practice. In practice, most open source projects, with the exceptions of the big hyped ones, just stagnate -- and arguably fail. Heck, even the original JForum has been in stagnation for years.

Henry

Dunno about JForum but i have to debate

There is a difference between theory and practice. In practice, most open source projects, with the exceptions of the big hyped ones, just stagnate -- and arguably fail

AFAIK all FOSS start as very little projects no one a priori know what will be their future they just start. Now maybe you refer how they proceed and  what they do for been successful and that's another one whole story in which any project has their own history. So far I notice some of those projects that are successful have a very good and strong management and a valuable community. Here i guess the community is valuable would miss the management part . Lets say one have not knowledge about all that stuff nowadays it's not so difficult to go and take the needed knowledge from those people on the field that already run successful FOSS dev systems    o no?

Also let's say we start with a situation here as it is right now(all software doing by the dev, the soft is closed because of fail  fear ) the software dev changes his mind and decides what (prob)modules give in public meanwhile he continues his work as before (simulating as if he doesn't) waiting nothing from anyone (for the worst case no none respond to his call). Let's say one or more of us start collaborating(according with the project rules) that was bad for the project? I guess no ; Let's also consider the worst case and say no one responded to devs call. No problem at all dev continue working as before. Any harm to the project ? absolutely no
 
I guess the reasons for why that software is closed have to be researched in another different directions

[Harry Kar]

Tim Moores wrote:. ...SourceForge in particular is full of abandoned projects, not all of which deserved to die.

Not only SF Tim, but they(projects) are not died(although appear as.. ) they're in a limbo and that's an important thing. Someone else one day can  decide to continue those from there or use part of those to construct something new. That's the GREAT thing of the whole story  IMO  

[Tim Moores]

I think you severely underestimate the amount of work it takes to make an in-house code base into something you care to show off and support externally.

[Harry Kar]

Tim Moores wrote: I think you severely underestimate the amount of work it takes to make an in-house code base into something you care...

No at all (at the opposite) i guess  you did not understand me

...to show off and support externally.

Almost all FOSS projects start in some manner from someones' idea as an in-house code base
To  show off  your code is assuming you have taken all the necessary steps so that nobody from outside can destroy your work(you're not dumb you have to take the control this is implied ). You show off  your code only for getting better not the other way around
The only reason I find plausible to have closed code is if you have devised something new and thing to earn from that  then it's ok code be secret

Just one example for all: If Linus did not follow the path he followed so far we haven't Linux today right(by the way is also interesting follow his path so that Linux development model succeed. Think also he had no one to show him the way; as opposite today we have more than one models to follow)? That's valid for every probable FOSS project

PS: I'm a fun of OS under the condition to get better not the same or worst