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Have a good Windows Monday.
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Liutauras Vilda wrote:Have a good Windows Monday.


What's happen next? Why not use a Linux (by the way I have a system from 2010 never had problems) Ok I joke
 
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I suppose it is better than having half the updates and a system which won't boot.
 
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What happened? Nothing!

Just waited for another half an hour and pc restarted as if it were no problems. I didn't get any report. Was it because of no internet connection, virus, not enough disk space, incompatibilities issue... Nothing... Whether just some new emoticons addition failed or security patches... It seems it didn't look important whoever implemented that, that need to report something to user.

So whether pc needs to be reinstalled isn't really clear. So I guess I'll wait for another update and if it repeats, then probably need to wipe out all and do fresh install. Not a first time, though.
 
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Liutauras Vilda wrote:What happened? Nothing!

Just waited for another half an hour and pc restarted as if it were no problems....


Ok that's good news. simply his time machine returned the system in previous stable state

So whether pc needs to be reinstalled isn't really clear. So I guess I'll wait for another update and if it repeats, then probably need to wipe out all and do fresh install. Not a first time, though.


Forget about it .
If you have another machine to work retry to do the updates again and observe the behaviour. Nowadays OS's are really monsters --mean complex things

PS: You remind me the BSOD  
 
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Harry Kar wrote:

Liutauras Vilda wrote:Have a good Windows Monday.


What's happen next? Why not use a Linux (by the way I have a system from 2010 never had problems) Ok I joke



Actually, I think the last Windows OS I used at home was Windows 98. My servers mostly run CentOS, my desktop Fedora. In April I steal my wife's Windows laptop to run TurboTax, then give it back to her once I'm done.

The October(?)/November(?) update(s?) for Windows have been a major disaster. While I'm obviously not well-versed in the specifics, the noise level has been high enough that even from Penguin-land, I've heard more than one tale of Windows updates bricking their owners systems.

I've had my share of grief with Linux - whenever I do a kernel update I have to build a new NVidia video driver, since it's "tainted" code and thus not part of the stock distro. But one of the nice things about Linux is that the apps, major OS subsystems, and the kernel can be updated selectively and except for kernel updates, usually don't require that the machine be rebooted - with the accompanying 30 minute wait before the desktop returns that Windows has. And it's nice not to have the machine run at quarter-speed for a half hour after each reboot while the virus scanner et al., beat the hard drive to death.

I understand that the desktop Windows OS is no longer the cash cow that it used to be, and maybe this is a reflection of this. However, rest assured that there are others who are equally incensed about this latest debacle so hopefully it will be rectified quickly. In the mean time, have you tried booting to the recovery menu and starting the "Last Known Good" option?
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:...I've had my share of grief with Linux - whenever I do a kernel update I have to build a new NVidia video driver, since it's "tainted" code and thus not part of the stock distro.



I'm actually on a very old Ubuntu(10.4 LTS aka "lucid lynx" --the number mean 2010/04--) and have Nvidia too but at every kernel update as far as I can remember(because my version is no more supported since 2015) had never build drivers or other stuff

But one of the nice things about Linux is that the apps, major OS subsystems, and the kernel can be updated selectively and except for kernel updates, usually don't require that the machine be rebooted - with the accompanying 30 minute wait before the desktop returns that Windows has. And it's nice not to have the machine run at quarter-speed for a half hour after each reboot while the virus scanner et al., beat the hard drive to death.



Indeed and more out there exist a software (not open) that permits you to not reboot at all(not ever but usually you reboot at kernel updates). That's useful on servers mostly

In the mean time, have you tried booting to the recovery menu and starting the "Last Known Good" option?



From the pic i guess what you say was happen automatically in Liutaras machine

PS:  Overall on server's  side(Lately also on desktop: PC-BSD now called TrueOS and also GhostBSD )  i prefer BSD's over Linuxes  because of their more conservative philosophy(hence potentially more reliable) and above all of their "Family" development model Vs Linux distro's extreme high distributive model
 
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The reason I have to do a driver build is because Fedora, being a Red Hat derivative is extremely paranoid about its drivers. Even though the code doesn't change, each kernel has version-specific modules with a kernel version stamp in them.

There's a system called DKMS that's supposed to make this process transparent, but it never liked my machine. The new modularity features tat are being developed in Fedora should eventually fix that, since NVidia was specifically singled out as a player that could benefit. In the mean time, I have to do it the hard way.

Hot-updates on the kernel were a big thing about 2-3 years ago, but I haven't heard much lately. I think Oracle has been playing with them though.
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:The reason I have to do a driver build is because Fedora, being a Red Hat derivative is extremely paranoid about its drivers. Even though the code doesn't change, each kernel has version-specific modules with a kernel version stamp in them.



got it

There's a system called DKMS that's supposed to make this process transparent, but it never liked my machine...


Exactly cause Dynamic Kernel Module Support i had never did it manually did it the system(on kernel installation phase) for me

..I think Oracle has been playing with them though.



Where fit Oracle with Fedora's kernel updates?
 
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Harry Kar wrote:Where fit Oracle with Fedora's kernel updates?



Nowhere, really. Oracle spun off an Oracle version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which almost nobody but die-hard Oracle shops use. I didn't mean to say that current Fedora releases have supported hot-install kernels (to my knowledge, anyway!)
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:Where fit Oracle with Fedora's kernel updates?



..Oracle spun off an Oracle version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which almost nobody but die-hard Oracle shops use.



Doh! now remember yes

I didn't mean to say that current Fedora releases have supported hot-install kernels (to my knowledge, anyway!)



The (proprietary)software i mentioned earlier are for all distros(well almost the major ) right now don't remember the brand but  when I remember i remind you

UPDATE :  the Brand of the semiconductor factory LT worked is TransMeta not meta
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:In the mean time, have you tried booting to the recovery menu and starting the "Last Known Good" option?


Apparently after the automatic update revert back, pc worked for one day, this morning doesn't start anymore.

So went to company's support, they said I am not the first. At the same time found out why soundcard stopped working, apparently the other update broke that. They said there is other update to fix that.

And they said since Windows 10 got released, they are very busy every single day.

 
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And here is result of revert.
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I'm always entertained by your constant woes with your Windows machine Liurauras. Keep 'em coming
 
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Liutauras Vilda wrote:...And they said since Windows 10 got released, they are very busy every single day.



Thanks to MS they almost never get unemployed. That's a MS's pro  
 
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Harry Kar wrote:. . . Thanks to MS they almost never get unemployed. . . .

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:. . . Thanks to MS they almost never get unemployed. . . .

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!


Isn't Campbell  
 
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