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An eight-year campaign to slash the agency’s budget has left it understaffed, hamstrung and operating with archaic equipment. The result: billions less to fund the government. That’s good news for corporations and the wealthy....
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral
 
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Moved to the Rattlesnake Pit since this is about politics
 
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Harry Kar wrote:. . . That’s good news for corporations and the wealthy... . . .

Is it?
 
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If you are one of those groups, then first of all you're less likely to be audited because the IRS has less resources to do that. And if you are audited, then you have enough money to out-lawyer the IRS.
 
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But you still have to make do with substandard roads, schools, policing, etc.
Is it good news that audits will fail? Or only for lawyers‍?
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:But you still have to make do with substandard roads, schools, policing, etc.
Is it good news that audits will fail? Or only for lawyers‍?


What you mean Campbell? your question is rhetoric or real?
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:But you still have to make do with substandard roads, schools, policing, etc.


Not everyone sees a connection between these things and taxes.
 
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A lot of infrastructure underspending in the US isn't even related to the IRS. E.g., highway maintenance is funded via petrol taxes - which haven't been adjusted for inflation for 20 years or so, if memory serves.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:. . . highway maintenance is funded via petrol taxes - which haven't been adjusted for inflation for 20 years or so, if memory serves.

Two differences from UK, then:-
  • 1: Highway maintenance is usually funnded out of local taxes, but it counts as part of the total tax bill rather than having petrol tax hypothecated to it.
  • 2: Our pterol taxes are adjusted alll too frequently.
  • A lot of infrastructure underspending in the US isn't even related to the IRS. E.g.,
     
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    I hear the UK tax office were having problems implementing their new IR-35 tax system for the self employed IT contractors.  
    The major issue was that all their contractors left for the private sector, once the tax office tried to impose the new government IR-35 contracts upon them.  
    Kind of funny.  The Register - IR35 is still not working...
     
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    You mean the US Government knackered their tax collecting agency, whilst ours in UK could knacker itself without needing outside assistance‍‍?
     
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    Joking apart, that isn't the first time HMRC/Inland Revenue have made a ballsup of their IT. The first year they had online reporting, several hundred thousand people failed to get their tax returns submitted on 31st January, and they had to grant a one‑week extension. The servers couldn't cope with the strain. They said they were upgrading their servers.
    The next year I submitted a complaint; I went online on 30th January and it took several hours to get a password reminder off the website. So I thought I was about to have the same problem.
    Latt time round they got really efficient they had my earnings all entered from P60s but when I submitted the return, my earnings went down to £0.00 mysteriously while I wasn't watching.
     
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    Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:

    Campbell Ritchie wrote:But you still have to make do with substandard roads, schools, policing, etc.


    Not everyone sees a connection between these things and taxes.



    And some people might equate reducing the size and power of the IRS with reducing excessive government regulation.
     
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    Well, the chances of legislation actually working are slim. The only examples I can remember that had the desired effect were in 1965 (approx) when a limit was introduced on how much you can drink before driving, in 1983 when it became compulsory to wear seatbelts, and in 2007 when it became illegal to smoke inside many buildings. Maybe GDPR will turn out to be a fourth example.
    The simpler the tax regime, the better. Unfortunately there are all sorts of exceptions, which have created regulations about what sort of expenses you can claim. So the regulations become complicated again. And the government like that; they think like that.
     
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    Campbell Ritchie wrote:

    Tim Moores wrote:...2: Our pterol taxes are adjusted alll too frequently...,


    When I was in my very first time in UK was shocked from diesel price ; diesel was more costly than benzine in practice the opposite than used in every European country I am aware; dunno why that  someone knows?

     
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    Campbell Ritchie wrote:Well, the chances of legislation actually working are slim. The only examples I can remember that had the desired effect were in 1965 (approx) when a limit was introduced on how much you can drink before driving, in 1983 when it became compulsory to wear seatbelts, and in 2007 when it became illegal to smoke inside many buildings. .


    I can see clearly the big differences between North and South Europe(and world ) and those you just mentioned are some of those e.g.  seatbelts actually in Greece although compusory only 2-3 months ago are  in force trough people because of a change in traffic rules in south Italy are in force from mid 2000 regard drink in either states nothing similar to UK where people when think to go in a pub and drink leave their cars in house and  rent a taxi
    And about smoke in Greece although illegal you can smoke freely in closed public places pubs etc (but obviously no in hospitals or state buildings)
     
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