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So, I haven't began even applying for jobs right now for two reasons.  One, I don't know if I actually know enough yet.  I know core java skills, and the fundamentals of mySQL and query through JDBC.  I don't know a whole lot of web development yet, but I was thinking maybe they'd take applicants who will learn on the job.  

The other reason is, I am not sure yet if I'm available this summer as I was planning on taking 10 weeks on a personal outing to work for a summer camp as it's part of personal development as well as a recommended therapy intervention for my autism.  

However, I don't know if I can afford to do this with the savings I have now plus will have by the summer, and I cannot wait that long to decide.  

The only other option is if I were to apply either now or after learning some of the web development basics and frameworks for java, is in 2020 letting them know after being there for awhile that I'm planning on taking a 10 week leave of absence, and they'd either have to grant it unpaid, or if they were unwilling to hold my job open for that long, to terminate my employment, then I'd look for a new company to work for when returning.  

This isn't really saying I want to use a company and mislead them, but just that my life comes first, and sometimes you have to put what's more important over what's important.
 
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Is it possible to just look for a temp job that you can use to pay for your summer plans, and then look for a full time job after camp?
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:Is it possible to just look for a temp job that you can use to pay for your summer plans, and then look for a full time job after camp?



I haven't seen anything for a temp job relating to java around here.  I would think it would take a few months just to get through a lot of the initial training with the skills I have now.
 
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Well, I didn't necessarily mean Java. Basically anything that will help you cover costs until you can start a full time developer job.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:Well, I didn't necessarily mean Java. Basically anything that will help you cover costs until you can start a full time developer job.



I already have about 3 jobs now.  I likely won't be able to save enough on those to afford a full summer off of work.  I could put the outing on hold until 2020, but I can't wait that long on the jobs I have now as I won't be able to afford to pay my loans back for much longer, and if all I really need to learn is a few more skills for entry level, waiting another 16 months just to start applying seems very impractical.  So, if I got hired within the next 90 days, in another year I'd have to tell them I'm taking 10 weeks off.  
 
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What has 2020 got to do with it? When does your course finish? I would suggest you apply as soon as possible and explain to the potential employers that you have the summer camp job arranged already/to be applied for.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:What has 2020 got to do with it? When does your course finish? I would suggest you apply as soon as possible and explain to the potential employers that you have the summer camp job arranged already/to be applied for.



What I mean is that if I accept a job now, I don't know if any of them would take me seriously if I'm planning on taking 10 weeks off in only 4 months away.   What I meant by 2020 is that I can put it on hold for another year, so that when I'm asking for 10 weeks off, I will have been employed for over a year by then and not having just started.  If I wait until after I'm hired, it'll be kind of hard to explain to companies why I quit a developer job after 4 months of work.  If I tell them first, how seriously would they take me if I'm only going to work a few months and then take off for the summer?  

I'm not in a course.  I dropped my graduate school program a year ago and I have been learning on my own since then.  I hold an associate's degree in Business Management, a bachelor's degree in Education, and I have 5 graduate courses in IT completed, and I dropped the program because I wasn't learning anything from it and I was teaching myself everything, and couldn't keep up with the work.  I was going to go finish the degree after getting started in the career.
 
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Kenneth Milota wrote:. . . I don't know if any of them would take me seriously if I'm planning on taking 10 weeks off in only 4 months away.

I think you should try it and see what happens. I don't think it will make much difference whether you have a planned Summer's absence this year or next. But I may be mistaken.

What I meant by 2020 is that I can put it on hold for another year,

That bit isn't clear; from reading that alone I can't tell whether, ȁit” means the Summer camp or the job application.

. . .  If I tell them first, how seriously would they take me if I'm only going to work a few months and then take off for the summer?

I still don't think that would be a problem. Besides, you will run out of money if you don't get a job and an income.

I'm not in a course.  I dropped my graduate school program a year ago . . . .

That would worry me a lot if I were interviewing you, however.

I was going to go finish the degree after getting started in the career.

Lots of people say things like that, and unfortunately many of them don't fulfil that intention, I am afraid.

Sorry to be so negative about your course problems.
 
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Well, I think dropped was the wrong word.  What I meant is I put in on hold.  I'd rather start in the career first and then finish after.  The problem is they were moving it too fast, and I wasn't learning anything.  They had a project due at the end of the week over concepts we just learned that same week, and that wasn't practical.  The courses were in introduction to programming, but I didn't see the "introductory" part, as it seemed they assumed we already knew how to program.   For example, one week we had an assignment on using maps to make an address book, and it was due Sunday night at the end of the week.  Well, given we just got introduced to what maps are on Monday, shouldn't we take time to learn how to use them before putting them together with our previous learning on a project?  

What I meant by 2020 is if I cannot afford it this year, I'll wait until next year to do it.  

I don't think they'd take me seriously if I was planning on taking 10 weeks off after only 3 months of being employed is what I meant.  



 
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The thing of it is, I already have 2 degrees in other concentrations, once that it took me a long time to complete with breaks and part time semesters in between, so I don't think I'd have a hard time convincing them I definitely do intend to finish a program which I only have 5 courses left.  If all that stands in the way is me completing a master's program though, I can complete that, but I'd rather not enroll in a program and put a limit on the hours I'm able to work for a job I have now.  
 
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Thank you for the explanation; it still worries me about your having done only half a degree.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:Thank you for the explanation; it still worries me about your having done only half a degree.



It was mostly a financial decision, as I couldn't both work enough hours to afford living expenses, as well as keep up with both personal study to catch up on to stay on top of my program and courses for a master's at the same time.   Being 31 years old, life sort of works out that way, and sometimes not the way you planned it.  

I'm not sure what exactly worries you I guess.  All that simply means is that I'm still working towards it, but I'm not currently registered in any courses.  A lot of ads say they welcome those currently pursuing a degree in a related concentration to apply.   If people bother to take the time to look at my GitHub profile to see all thep projects I've been doing since I was last registered in a formal course, if they don't consider that taking it seriously, I don't think anything I can do or say will convince them.  
 
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I guess the irony here is, I was expecting the main issue to be planning a 10 week out of town job shortly after being hired, but if most recruiters operate on the same criteria, my main hurdle is going to be the fact that I didn't re-register for more classes, but decided to learn on my own for awhile.    I can see if I was a recent high school graduate within the last few years this being an issue, but I thought given I had multiple degrees already as well as over 200 college credits, that simply being 5 courses short and planning on going back within a year after getting hired would be more understandable.  If I'm getting rejected repeatedly for this reason, I have no problem going back to finish the degree even though it will take about a year, but it will be rather disappointing that all the work I've done to this point is meaningless to recruiters.  
 
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