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1. session in memory not supported in clustering
2. Persistence builder left users with no other option other than to trash their app.
3. needs a whole database just to hold the config.
4. A successful websphere installation is a big project in itself.
5. Deployment and loading the app is so cumbersome and painful.
6. The swing gui (adminclient) sucks big time.The web based admin console is not supported in advance edition(AE) which is supporrted in single server standard edition.
7. wsad IDE takes 3-4 minutes to come up.wsad does not support CORBA, swing(visualage -VCE), PB.
8. The website (infocenter) is not quite well organised.
9. You cannot open a ticket with them online on the web.
10.DB2 drivers has big time memory leaks.
11. support sucks....not worth the price you pay,
.......so on and so forth.
I don't know if you folks have had the same experience , please share the same...
Any IBM folks reading this?? correct me if i am wrong....
[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: MAnderson ]
[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: MAnderson ]
 
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Hi Damn,
I think you overact on this issue. None of the servers or IDEs in the market is perfact. What if you name an IDE, let us talk about it.
Ren
 
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I am more concerned on the appserver than the IDE and the day to day administration.There is no exaggeration or overact...i am an end user not a marketing rep from any company.
lets talk @ weblogic app server -
-supports in memory sesion clustering and database as well
-needs no database to hold configuration.
-web based admin console
-easy to deploy/install app
-support issues can be accessed online, allows you to open ticket online
-I can setup a weblogic environment including a cluster in less than an hour
-online docs are well organised
-pretty quick in releasing the latest-to-the-spec version.
Down side
-They don't expose bug fixes like IBM Apar's
-The web console is sometimes not in sync if you do stuff command line.
They are still the best though not "perfect"..easier to learn and use don't add proprietory hooks which would make the app unportable.
please share your experiences...
MAnderson
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MAnderson,
I'm in learning mode, and haven't used WebSphere in a production environment yet, but have invested quite a bit of time reading Redbooks. You may have a point about the website organization, but so far I have been pleasantly surprised with the quality of the Redbooks. Have you spent much time checking them out?
I do have a question that maybe you could give me some feedback on. You mention support as an issue. My view is that since commercial J2EE application servers tend to be proprietary "black boxes" vendor provided support has to be something a client needs to plan on paying for. You just don't have time on a large development effort to constantly hunt down mysteries. You need the vendor on the hook with you. So what forms of IBM support have you been exposed to. I get a ton of helpful advice from this forum (and I'm very grateful), but I think everyone would agree that it is not near robust enough to cover a development project needs. What kind of IBM support have you been exposed to, how much does it cost, and what are your specific complaints.
Mike
 
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lets talk @ weblogic app server -
-supports in memory sesion clustering and database as well
>> You have to hefty bucks for this feature, while WebSphere's architecture supports. No extra cost!
-needs no database to hold configuration.
>> Previously, WLS utilize Cloudscape as config repository. After IBM acquired Informix, it is gone. Have you really played with the crappy config.xml for a long time? I cannot imagine any serious system admin love that.
-web based admin console
>> It is also painful to wait till the applet is fully loaded in the console. And in WLS there is no cmd line tool provided by BEA to admin WLS. While in WAS AE, XMLConfig/WSCP saves you big effort, especially in enterprise environment you have your routine admin job can be setup with WSCP. BEA provides JMX, so be proficient by yourself to develop the programs.
-easy to deploy/install app
>> Haven't you find BEA's classloader architecture is the worst? And haven't you run into any weird caching issues with their hot deployment feature? In production mode, no customer will accept that. To developer, if the feature works 99% correctly, then it is valuable. Or you will have hard time to figure out how to clean caches.
-support issues can be accessed online, allows you to open ticket online
>> If you enrol PWD program, you can do it also. I am using the Remote Email support, and happy with that so far. Check www.developer.ibm.com.
-I can setup a weblogic environment including a cluster in less than an hour
>> In WebSphere, it is not painless. You are not able to do it in WAS? Please refer to redbook:
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/pdfs/sg246192.pdf
-online docs are well organised
>> They are scattered, and no other language version.
-pretty quick in releasing the latest-to-the-spec version.
>> Yeah, IBM WAS 5.0 passed J2EE1.3 CTS ahead of WLS 7.0. So may we call this in the past? And don't forget IBM is leading the whole WebService/JCA spec. That's the next star in whole middleware industry. Then the question is which spec are you talking about?
If you want to list WAS problems, there are issues. But don't reach your conclusion without thoroughly compare all the offerings.
 
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Simon,
I will look thru the PWD support site you posted, but maybe you could give me some initial info. How much due you pay for email support? Is it the same price for forum support?
Thanks,
Mike
 
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It is $2000/unlimited cases support via email support, forum support comes free with that.
If you like talk over the phone, then $2000 more.
You can contact PWD 1800 line for details.
Unlike BEA support, your company has unlimitted PWD account can be associated with this program. While BEA only allows one primary contact, so everytime I have to tell them I am calling on behalf of my colleague...
 
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