the trailboss abuses his CodeRanch power for his other stuff (power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely is kinda neat!)
permaculture light bulbs permaculture electric heat permaculture cast iron permaculture wood burning stove permaculture solar food dehydrators
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
programming forums Java Mobile Certification Databases Caching Books Engineering Micro Controllers OS Languages Paradigms IDEs Build Tools Frameworks Application Servers Open Source This Site Careers Other all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
Marshals:
  • Campbell Ritchie
  • Liutauras Vilda
  • Tim Cooke
  • Jeanne Boyarsky
  • Bear Bibeault
Sheriffs:
  • Knute Snortum
  • paul wheaton
  • Devaka Cooray
Saloon Keepers:
  • Tim Moores
  • Stephan van Hulst
  • Ron McLeod
  • Piet Souris
  • Ganesh Patekar
Bartenders:
  • Tim Holloway
  • Carey Brown
  • salvin francis

Everything's broke and nothing works

 
Bartender
Posts: 9567
12
Mac OS X Linux Windows
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Remember the good old days when you'd get a new laptop, tablet or phone and it would have new functionality and work better with your existing platforms?  I miss those days.  
My employer upgraded my work phone to an iPhone 8.  No more headphone jack. No more charging my phone while I listen to calming ambient music on my headphones.  No more plugging it into the AUX jack in the car.  
BuT yOu CaN uSe BlUeToOtH.  Bluetooth sucks.  $100+ for headphones?  I have enough devices to charge.  I can't be bothered to charge my flipping headphones.  What's more, my car will only pair with one phone at a time (I have an Android phone for personal purposes).  Somebody calls the wrong phone?  Pardon me while I pull over and dive into a dozen menus to switch the primary phone.  BuT tHaTs A bAd ImPlEmEnTaTiOn.  Yes, and real Communism has never been tried.
YoU cAn UsE a DoNgLe.   *sigh*
Another thing that irks me is that for a brief moment in time, about 7 years ago, I only had one charging cable for all my devices: a USB mini.   Now, I have a cable organizer in my backpack to keep track of all my cables.  
Furthermore, my MacBook Pro is getting long in the tooth.  I'd like to upgrade, but I'm rather attached to having discrete ports for my camera's SD cards, my piles of USB A drives, and yes, my flipping headphones.  Can't even plug an iPhone into a new MacBook.  
YoU cAn UsE SoMe DoNgLeS.   Double *sigh*
Is it too much to expect that new devices should work better than the old ones or am I this guy?  
 
Rancher
Posts: 100
6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
That's one of the reasons I really look after my old MBP, it has everything I need. If it breaks I'll probably have to switch to Lenovo and use Linux - that's just one step away from living under a bridge and food stamps!
 
Bartender
Posts: 1035
18
Mac OS X IntelliJ IDE Oracle Spring VI Editor Tomcat Server Redhat Java Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
That's me as well; still using an older Mac Book Pro.  Just don't see any advantage in buying a new Mac when they seem to have faulty keyboards and the lack of connectors.  This
sums it up.   Seriously considering getting a Linux based laptop when I need a replacement in a few years.    
 
Bartender
Posts: 21004
128
Android Eclipse IDE Tomcat Server Redhat Java Linux
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Real Communism has been tried many times, and often with some success - most commonly in religious communities, You can even find it documented in the New Testament. Alas, once a commune gets too big or too old, it tends to either fragment or disintegrate entirely. Or mutate into something hierarchical like the Christian churches. Much like Free Markets are prone to spiral into monopolies. I don't consider dictatorships to be "Communistic", no matter what they claim. You know that State isn't going to "wither away", and if the people at the top are living in fancy dachas and the people at the bottom are poor, that doesn't sound much like what Marx had in mind.

One of the things that surprised me when I actually sat down and read the Communist Manifesto was that although it was written well over a century ago, it anticipated a time when we'd be so productive that we didn't actually need everyone working to survive - and even prosper - as a species. It's also got a lot of trash in it, but post-scarcity seems to be less a pipe dream and more an inevitable juggernaut with each passing day.

You should have never brought up politics. Politics is an excuse for people to lie and show off their prejudices and their ignorance - and too often be hurtful to one another. On to the main act.

You're late to the party. In Linux, one of the most infuriating "improvements" was the Gnome 3 desktop. In Gnome 2, the edges of my screen were littered with toolbars, mini-monitors, controls, and shortcuts. Gnome 3 :"improved' that by eliminating all of the above plus the desktop icons. It's abominable, and I had to sort through a variety of alternative desktops before finally settling on CInnamon. Cinnamon has its bugs, but at least I can see critical information at a glance and get to my most important project without digging around in a bunch of "clean" displays.

Nor was this the only software system that "improved" itself to uselessness. The file explorer I'd been using lost critical features as well, although I think enough people howled that most of them have been re-enabled now.

Apparently you can tell when a product has matured when it starts losing useful features because otherwise people wouldn't know it was new and improved.
 
Marshal
Posts: 65467
249
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Tim Holloway wrote:Real Communism . . . documented in the New Testament. . . . .

But parts of Communism include belief that there is no God, and that people are inherently good, neither of which you will find in the NT. I think I know which passage you mean, but wasn't that simply sharing of all resources and riches?

...and don't get me started about Gnome3
 
Saloon Keeper
Posts: 2690
343
Android Eclipse IDE Angular Framework MySQL Database TypeScript Redhat Java Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Tim Holloway wrote:Apparently you can tell when a product has matured when it starts losing useful features because otherwise people wouldn't know it was new and improved.

 
Saloon Keeper
Posts: 5776
146
Android Mac OS X Firefox Browser VI Editor Tomcat Server Safari
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Campbell Ritchie wrote:

Tim Holloway wrote:Real Communism . . . documented in the New Testament. . . . .

But parts of Communism include belief that there is no God:


I think the communism Tim refers to is the one of the Bible, which is about the early Christian commune. That, obviously, does involve a God :-)
 
Tim Holloway
Bartender
Posts: 21004
128
Android Eclipse IDE Tomcat Server Redhat Java Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Political/social discussion would be much improved if all the people who argue bothered to be clear on what they're arguing about. More often, we're operating off what we've been indoctrinated with and simply quack back the programmed duckspeak that we were taught was appropriate to the stimulus. Saves a lot of time since that way you don't have to actually think about much. We go off what we "know" and the Simple Truth and often never bother to know more. Especially if it threatens our existing "knowledge".

Take Capitalism for example. Capitalism == Business, right? Not so fast. Capitalism, literally, involves investors who pool resources (shades of Marx!) in order to leverage their ability to obtain capital equipment or in order to employ funds towards a goal. Even as late as the founding of the USA, the "immortal corporation" was not the primary means of doing business. Before that, more often you had either temporary syndicates - such as the one that made Dick Whittington's fortune - or you had partnerships/proprietorships. The rise of literal capitalism came with industrialization, when you needed not merely to outfit an expedition and wager that it would return profitably, but to obtain expensive physical resources, many of which would be held long-term. Yet these days for most people, any business is "capitalist", whether it's corporate or not.

Likewise, yes, communism wasn't something that Marx invented all on his own. He merely put his own slant on it based on conditions of the times. Which, in England amounted to lots of people losing jobs to automation and to people being exploited to run that automation. You can hear the echo today in modern business where we're massively more productive every year, yet people work long hours for fear of becoming long-term unemployed - or under-employed - if they don't. George Jetson's brutal 3-hour workdays continue to elude us. And we don't get the self-driving flying car, either. Although maybe someday, the robot maid. Made in China. Trump's commands to US corporations notwithstanding.

I've heard it said that Marxist Communism is atheistic because he claimed that religion was used by the oppressor classes to terrorize the masses into subservience. When the army isn't enough, threaten them with eternal damnation. Just as Franklin's comment on safety versus security tends to get mangled into something more soundbite-like (as does "My Country Right or Wrong"), so likewise with "Religion is the opiate of the people". But I digress. Somewhere out in California there are probably communes where they worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Blessed Be His Name. Ramen.

Or to mangle Barry Goldwater's observation: Religion and Politics should never mix. Because when they do, anyone whose politics are different becomes a heretic. And we know what to do with heretics.

 
Ranch Hand
Posts: 1346
3
Netbeans IDE Spring Java
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Political/social discussion would be much improved if all the people who argue bothered to be clear on what they're arguing about.



Independently of any definition of Communism out there it was a brake.

In all aspects in life is not the more intelligent or hardworking person the one who wins but the most balance.

Before we had Communist Block and the Capitalist one now all we have is neoliberalism the world has lost its balance point ... it is in an infinite loop of self-destruction without any efficient brake against climate change, inequality, or globalization ...
 
Rancher
Posts: 833
19
Netbeans IDE Oracle MySQL Database Tomcat Server C++ Java
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I use Andriod, Linux, Windows, and PC's.  So I am not really familiar with what you are talking about.  I have one of those new pluggable hybrid BlueDrive cars that doesn't have a CD Player, and it seems to always want to connect to my wife's phone, even though mine is set as the primary.  I  do rather enjoy sitting at he light our on the highway--yes we have the 55 MPH stop lights in our area--and hitting sport mode and seeing that Challenger or Vet just barely starting out as I hit 55 and ease off the accelerator and watching them flip me off as they go zipping by when they catch up.

But then what do I know, I'm a right wing, Christian, gun loving, redneck that also loves the planet and codes like a demon.

PS: I know my batteries in my car negate any real advantage to using the hybrid as far as saving the planet goes, but hey--it's so nice seeing those cars sitting at the light in my rear view mirror, I can be as two faced about it as anyone ;)
 
Sheriff
Posts: 6191
164
Eclipse IDE Postgres Database VI Editor Chrome Java Ubuntu
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Tim Moores wrote:

Campbell Ritchie wrote:

Tim Holloway wrote:Real Communism . . . documented in the New Testament. . . . .

But parts of Communism include belief that there is no God:


I think the communism Tim refers to is the one of the Bible, which is about the early Christian commune. That, obviously, does involve a God :-)


Acts 4:32–35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
 
Campbell Ritchie
Marshal
Posts: 65467
249
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Knute Snortum wrote:. . . Acts 4:32 . . . .

Exactly the same part I was thinking of. Followed shortly by Ananias and Sapphira, whom Peter told the sharing was entirely voluntary.
 
Tim Holloway
Bartender
Posts: 21004
128
Android Eclipse IDE Tomcat Server Redhat Java Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
And ultimately negated by Paul's admonition that "If a man will not work, he shall not eat". Which has helped engender the excuses for centuries of "give a man a fish (but I own the lake)" and "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps (even though you have no shoes)" and of course "it wasn't a literal needle. Oh, and "Everyone according to his ability, to each according to his work".

I think that it was Lynyrd Skynrd's "Curtis Lowe" that made me rethink things.  People's "usefulness" is based on other people's judgements. Skynyrd themselves, after all didn't "work", and yet they became millionaires. If Tom Brady had to depend on what I felt like paying him, he'd be selling used cars or starving in the gutter. And some people may only be "useful" one time in their life, but that one time could be critical to many other people.

Oh, and back to the signature topic: Why hasn't anyone nominated Windows Vista, or the perpetually-broken Windows 10?

 
Tim Holloway
Bartender
Posts: 21004
128
Android Eclipse IDE Tomcat Server Redhat Java Linux
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
A typo reminded me of something else Biblical. The manna in the desert wasn't harvestable only by those who "deserved" it. It was freely available to all who were willing to harvest it. Or at least persuade someone else to do so.

Consider the Lilies of the Fields...
 
Les Morgan
Rancher
Posts: 833
19
Netbeans IDE Oracle MySQL Database Tomcat Server C++ Java
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Something biblical interesting too: during Moses' time when the fiery serpents were plaguing them, all someone had to do was look to the icon provided and live, no faith was required, except to look upon the icon provided--many did not and they died.

Tim Holloway wrote:A typo reminded me of something else Biblical. The manna in the desert wasn't harvestable only by those who "deserved" it. It was freely available to all who were willing to harvest it. Or at least persuade someone else to do so.

Consider the Lilies of the Fields...

 
Sheriff
Posts: 24635
56
Eclipse IDE Firefox Browser MySQL Database
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Tim Holloway wrote:new and improved.



I hate "new and improved". I had this pair of hiking shoes which were working fine for me, they took me around the Tour du Mont Blanc (10 days of hiking over Alpine passes) with no problem. But they were worn out too badly to use. So I thought "Hey! I can order another pair online from the place I bought them!"

So I went online, and they had 300 different kinds of hiking shoes. But only 40 kinds of men's shoes of the same brand. And none of those 40 were my shoes. Phooey.

So I went over to the store and found out that my shoes were discontinued. Phooey. I bought another similar pair which allegedly had a better lacing system, they said. New and improved... I would have been satisfied with a new pair of the old shoes and I wouldn't have had to take an hour out of my day to go to the store and buy something else.
 
Marshal
Posts: 7084
491
Mac OS X VI Editor BSD Linux
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Tim Holloway wrote:Apparently you can tell when a product has matured when it starts losing useful features because otherwise people wouldn't know it was new and improved.


On Windows, with every lost feature you presumably would lose a long winded bug too, so in the case of this very operating system, might be useful to upgrade. Except that we know they manage to double them up.

I remember at previous company where I workekd for we had Skype for business, it worked.. But then it went down.. and Teams (Skype replacement) replaced that. So all of a sudden you couldn't quote person's writting, at least not in an easy and known way. So we moved to Slack, it was the best decision ever, and so I left then soon, so I don't know how they are doing now.

Is the GitHub going to be the next one?
 
Tim Holloway
Bartender
Posts: 21004
128
Android Eclipse IDE Tomcat Server Redhat Java Linux
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Liutauras Vilda wrote:

Tim Holloway wrote:Apparently you can tell when a product has matured when it starts losing useful features because otherwise people wouldn't know it was new and improved.


On Windows, with every lost feature you presumably would lose a long winded bug too, so in the case of this very operating system, might be useful to upgrade. Except that we know they manage to double them up.



Curiously, it seems that one of the hallmarks of a mature software systems is that the number of bugs remains constant over the mature life of the system. That is, lots of bugs at first, while it's still teething, but thereafter, every bug fixed introduces a new bug. The old "pressing on a balloon" effect. I think the studies that discovered that rather annoying characteristic were done way back in the 1960's. IBM's flagship operating system had a constant of something like 60,000 bugs from release to release.

Of course, "new and improved" doesn't remove bugs, since you're pulling one buggy feature, but adding a new buggy feature as the "improvement". And of course, there are the classic non-improving improvements, such as "What's the Network Neighborhood called in this version of Windows, and how do I get to it?"

If the catastrophe that Windows 10 is any indication, though, Microsoft seems to have upped the ante. More bugs every month.

One advantage of GitHub over Skype is that it's based on open-source software, so that if worst comes to worst, you can dig your treasures out of the abandoned corpse. And indeed, there are GitHub-like systems that are very easy to migrate to. I run a system called Gogs, which is a github clone that can be easily spun up as a Docker container.

Of course, if it's open-source, but it's on the Cloud and you don't have full access to the Cloud-based resources, you're still probably screwed. It's like my original e-paper based Nook. The device still works flawlessly, but Nook changed their servers so that I cannot download the books I "own" into it anymore. And in fact, cannot even buy new books with that device. And it's not only that device. The Android Nook app on my phone is also so encumbered. Granted, the primary reason for the change was to remove SSL exploitabilities, but I think that was also just an excuse to jettison older platforms.

At least they haven't done like Microsoft and yanked the entire library out from under my on every device I own. Yet.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not very fond of cloud-only data or DRM.
 
Don't MAKE me come back there with this tiny ad:
professionally read, modify and write PDF files from Java
https://products.aspose.com/pdf/java
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!