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Summer-like temperatures return to Vancouver

 
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I saw this on my phone this morning - current temperature 26°C (79°F) - wow, pretty warm for the beginning of fall in Vancouver.



Turns-out Seems like that rather than showing me the current temperature, the weather widget is showing me the sum of today's high (16°C) and low (10°C) temperatures
 
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... or is 26 the day of the month?  Maybe it's me that has the problem  
 
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LOL. Stranger coincidences can happen but seeing as the 26 is right above Thursday and today is Thursday, September 26, I'm putting my money on you just having a senior moment.    

Funny coincidence though - my wife and I were just talking about how much warmer it is than it was when we moved into our house thirteen sixteen years ago almost to the date. I seem to recall wearing at least a light sweater back then. Today I'm still in shorts and T-shirt. #gretathunberg should be nominated for a Nobel Prize or something.

Edit: these senior moments are contagious! It was 16 years ago we moved in, not 13.  
 
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Yup -- looks like a case of old and/or sleep-deprived brain.  This is what gave me the idea that it was a combination of high/low temps for the day  

 
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Ron McLeod wrote:a case of old and/or sleep-deprived brain.


Funny how the lack of sleep can make our brains see all sorts of things ... been there, done that
 
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Over the last 10 years or so, the climate here has moved about 150 miles South. Having lived in both locations, that means that "cold" weather (this is Florida, after all) arrives 2 weeks later, leaves about 2 weeks earlier. Halloween up here was chilly, down there was warm. Now it's warm here, as well.

It also means I can grow pineapples unprotected whereas on the other side of town in the 1980s I had a lime tree that would freeze down to the ground about December 24 every year.

A rather odd thing has also happened in that the coldest days of the year used to be right around New Years/early January, whereas the last couple of years I've been tempted (and occasionally even forced) to run air conditioning in January. Any chance for an actual freeze now occurs in mid-February and the historical date of last frost used to be about Feb. 20. For the record, I'm tropical blooded, so when the A/C is on, most people are dying already.

But I'm (reasonably) sure it will snow this Winter in Minnesota, so Climate Change Is A Myth, of course. And the fact that Alaska spends more and more days being warmer than Florida shouldn't mean anything. After all, even in a hotter climate we could still get a fluke flurry. Just not as likely as they used to be.
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:And the fact that Alaska spends more and more days being warmer than Florida shouldn't mean anything



I am not denying there is some truth as to the impact we are having on climate change, but, the fact that they are seeing vegetation beneath ice and snow that has receded in recent years, would indicate there wasn't always ice and snow covering the vast landscape of the Arctic. The earth has seen it's share of ice ages, large-scale fires, shifting land masses, disappearing islands, etc...In fact, has there ever really been a period where earth was at a complete standstill, relatively speaking?

My attempt at being philosophical for today.

Sorry Ron, as I am in the habit of doing in this particular forum, I have strayed from your original topic...
 
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There was a time when the entire Earth was a seething hellish mass with a toxic atmosphere. Then there was a time when things cooled off, water condensed out and eventually life forms popped up to party.

Who were then largely killed off by a bunch of mutants who insisted on dumping oxygen into the atmosphere. And so we became an oxygen-based bio-culture.

For some reason, it is considered "good business" to attempt to return to those earlier halcyon days, and business is more important than, say, people being able to breathe or not die of heatstroke.

Yes, the climate of the Earth has changed many times. There are Indian villages located in what is now the Gulf of Mexico. Ocean levels have risen and fallen hundreds of meters.

And no one is disputing that.

The issue is that when you filter out the normal climate patterns that come from solar cycles and other external forces, the only thing that really tracks current trends is the amount of greenhouse gas that we've been dumping into the atmosphere between the days when air pollution was something that rarely extended outside of the villages and towns.

And even that wouldn't be an issue, except that the rate of change is so fast that it's implicated in extinction events. Plants and animals can and do adapt to slow changes in climate. It's quite another matter when climate changes virtually overnight. Change takes time.

Plus, do you really want a horde of refugees from Miami crowding into your peaceful little inland hamlet? I'm not even on near-ocean property myself, but a 3 meter rise in sea level would have water seeping in my front door. And if I were in my 20s, the probability of seeing that happen in my life is computed to be uncomfortably high.

The arguments about trying to mitigate global warming are really quite feeble. The #1 argument is that doing so would kill jobs. And that's bogus because many of the same people shouting that are people who are actively sending jobs offshore or automating them out of existence. It's also specious because when you create a demand, someone's got to fill it. There are people whose livelihood is based on making and installing anti-pollution equipment. Because our last scoffed-at environmental disaster was quite literally dissolving the underwear of workers sitting on park benches. Now you can sit and if there's a burning sensation, at least it's probably not local industry at fault.

Climate change denial is a Conservative political point, and from what I can see, if you're conservative, anything you cannot bomb into submission is either God's Will or a Librul Conspiracy. If you think it's God's Will, then you're helpless and might as well just sit around waiting for Jesus to come (not but what some are actively trying to force Him to). And if it's the damn Libruls, then double-down. I could give you a long diatribe about the faults of the Left, but when did Conservative become about limited ideas? Was this the vision of Walt Disney or Henry Ford? The Captains of Industry have abandoned industry in favor of mergers, acquisitions, and complex money games. R&D can't allow the inefficiency of blind research and serendipity anymore - you have to show concrete goals on a fixed schedule for those quarterly profits rises. R&D is often outsourced or even disposed of entirely. Even universities have been subverted to monetization.

There are more people working at Arby's than in the coal industry. In fact, I believe that there are now more people working in the solar power industry than the coal industry. Coal mines are shutting down all over. Coal-fired generating plants have been switching over to cheaper, more efficient fuels. Even my own local technological backwater is bringing 3 more solar farms online at the local power utility.

Imagine what might be accomplished if we had an administration that encouraged development of renewable, non-polluting energy products instead of pushing for dinosaur (no pun intended) fuel - from foreign sources, often enough.

Make no mistake. I like the fact that I can grow a wider variety of tropical fruits than I used to. And it would probably be pretty cool if the dragonflies with 15-foot wingspans returned. But wheat doesn't grow in Florida. How about seeing Kansas with the sort of sub-tropical climate I grew up in? Hope you like peanut butter on corn tortillas.
 
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