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I took the test back in May, and I'm still studying to retake it.  I wasn't able to study most of the summer because of an outing I was on though.

What I found was that the program I was using to study from didn't remotely resemble the actual exam questions, to which I found later many of the concepts on that program no longer apply to the exam.  

The way I'm studying now is that I read the entire Oracle exam guide that is available on amazon, and I'm using Enthuware to practice.  

I scored a little over 50% on the foundations test, and I got 40% on test one.  I think that about matches my knowledge on the last exam since most people score more on the actual exam than the practice exams, but I'm still very confused on a lot of it, and it doesn't look like problems that would ever happen in the real world.  

My plan as of now is to prepare to take it again in the next couple months, and if I fail, I'll try one more time by reviewing the most missed types of questions, but if I fail it a 3rd time, then I'm going to de-rail and work towards another plan to build up my resume, as I cannot spend all my time trying to prepare for one test.
 
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Sorry about your results.

If you are getting 50% on Enthuware, I think your chances in the real exam will be very slim and you shouldn't sit the exam at the moment.
 
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When I was preparing the OCA, I was also wondering "when would I be ready to take the exam". What I was told, as a rule of thumb, try to aim for approximately 80% on the enthuware exams to be quite sure that you will pass. Of course, this isn't an exact science and it all depends from one person to the other.
 
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The problem is, there really isn't any one topic I miss almost every question on that is more than a couple questions, such as lambdas which make up 2 of the 70 questions, so I can't really pinpoint any specific problem area.  
 
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Hi Nathan,
First of all, don't get disheartened. You will get there.

Let me suggest you the following approach:

1. Stop taking mock exams.
2. Go back to the book (try another one if you feel bored using the current one) and do short and simple coding exercises from each chapter. If your book doesn't have them, try this book's end of chapter exercises. Writing code is extremely important for you to internalize and retain the concepts in your brain. Use command line and a basic code editor such as Notepad++ for this part. Can't stress this enough. If you are unable to do the exercise on your own, read the chapter again.
3. Browse this forum and see if you are able to answer the questions posted by other users. You don't have to wait for new questions to appear. Just go through old threads and see if you answer and the answers posted by experts match. This will give you confidence.
4. Now, go to the mock exams. I am fairly certain that your mock exam score will shoot up beyond 60%.

All the best!
Paul.
 
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PA: good advice. Thank you.
 
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47% is 33 questions correct and 46 are needed, so assuming that most of my correct answers were ones that I knew and a few of them were lucky guesses, that's still quite a bit that I need to learn with knowing some of the foundations, which makes since since I get questions right in probably every category, just not the more difficult ones.

I will try reading that book again.  I was hoping to have this test retaken and passed before mid-November, but given that is less than six weeks away from now, reading another book cover to cover, practice coding, and then more mock exams in that window seems unlikely, unless others have been able to do it before.  However, cutting corners is what caused me to fail in the first attempt, so I'm going to try doing what I can, but just don't want what I'm doing to be counter-productive.  
 
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I think it would be a dangerous rush to try for six weeks, unless you can devote several hours a day to revision.
 
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Six weeks is probably too soon, but it's not as if I'm starting now and shooting six weeks from now, I have been studying for awhile, and studied a bit before I took the test the first time, enough to get almost half the questions right, so I already have a foundation.  However, given my limited resources and the test is not cheap, I'm going to see where I am in a couple weeks from now and if I'm getting better scores on the mock exams.  I have a lot of recap notes from my first practice Enthuware test that I think will help the next attempt.  

I was using a program from Kaplan the first time, that helped me get some of the questions on the exam right, and others that I got right were from guessing or from my knowledge of how java works in the programs I've created so far.   I think the problem though was that I was mostly memorizing the answers to the same questions, and some of the material is not actually covered on the current exam.  
 
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Don't rush to take the exam, take your time, your purpose of learning is not just for a certificate, it is the process. The most important thing is the knowledge you gained through the process.
I'd advise to use this Study Guide, make sure you understand the concepts and do some coding practice,
after you finish each chapter, try the Chapter test on Sybex test banks, make sure you understand the questions you got wrong and also those you not confirmed with.
Lastly the mock tests, study every single questions after you perform the test, and make sure you can understand each questions.
Take the Exam only  when you are confident to.  
 
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After reading a few chapters in one of the suggested books and going over my first test while taking notes, I took the Test 2 and got a 63%, so much higher than 40%.  So, maybe I'm getting the hang of it a little bit.

The performance report still doesn't give much of an indicator of what topics I need to study the most, as they are scattered and I got some questions right in every category, but no category very strong.  

What was awkward though is that the distribution of the questions by topic, as it wasn't the same as in the first test, as there were almost twice the questions on inheritance on test one than test two.  Is this how the real exam works?   I thought the number of questions per topic would be exactly the same, and on test 2, there weren't any questions on lambdas.  
 
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Nathan Milota wrote:After reading a few chapters in one of the suggested books and going over my first test while taking notes, I took the Test 2 and got a 63%, so much higher than 40%.  So, maybe I'm getting the hang of it a little bit.

The performance report still doesn't give much of an indicator of what topics I need to study the most, as they are scattered and I got some questions right in every category, but no category very strong.  

What was awkward though is that the distribution of the questions by topic, as it wasn't the same as in the first test, as there were almost twice the questions on inheritance on test one than test two.  Is this how the real exam works?   I thought the number of questions per topic would be exactly the same, and on test 2, there weren't any questions on lambdas.  



Distribution of the questions is random. The 808 exam doesn't focus on lambdas as much.
 
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I took another practice test after doing readings and practice exercises and got only 49%.  I'm not sure why.  I guess I'm just not getting it.  Is it possible that some people just cannot pass the test no matter how hard they study for it?
 
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Nathan Milota wrote:I took another practice test after doing readings and practice exercises and got only 49%.  I'm not sure why.  ...


As a response, I would like to re-iterate what paul mentioned above:

Paul Anilprem wrote:1. Stop taking mock exams.
2. Go back to the book ...

 
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I mean, I have been reading the book.  I guess I'm just not comprehending the questions enough.  There are five more mock exams left, so I can hold off on taking the rest.
 
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