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Did those who used Enthuware really do better on the actual exam? 1ZO-808

 
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I took the test back in May and failed, and I have found all in all Enthuware to be the most accurate representation of what I saw on the real exam.  However, one statistic that I think may be misleading is the average score on Enthuware of 73, and the average exam score of over 85.  

This is due to a few factors.  One, the average mock score is people's mock scores of all their tests, including the foundations test which I don't think counts, and people tend to get better the more they take, meaning their average would be much more if you only factored in the last few that are truly reflecting of their knowledge before taking the exam.  

Also, I am willing to bet the people that fail do not actually report their scores, and some may stop using the software as after test 4 the numbers go down significantly of number of participants.  

What I've also noticed though, is that many people who were only scoring in the 60-75 range on Enthuware admitted that they didn't pass the exam and thought they would given the averages that were reported and were told the test was supposed to be easier than the mock exams.   What it doesn't say is how many people actually reported their score compared to how many took the last day unique test.  

Did you actually find the exam on site to be easier than the Enthuware exams?  

I took the real exam before I used it and was very under-prepared, so I don't really know if it was actually harder.  However, Exam 1 on Enthuware was 40% for me and on the real exam I was still able to get 47%, so that does in a way match up, but I don't recall enough of the exam to figure how many I may have gotten right just by guessing.

I'm starting to get in the 60s now at mock exam 5, so I still don't feel I'm ready, but after two more mock exams and practice I'm eventually just going to take my chances as I don't know how much more I could prepare, but I was wondering if others can actually attest to getting a higher score on the real exam, and significantly, not by about 2-3 percent.
 
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Those are some good points, Nathan.
It is true that not many people report their real exam score (and some who report may report incorrectly, there is nothing much we can do about it). But we do mention the number of users who reported their real exam score. For example, on the OCAJP 8 1Z0-808 Average Score page, it says this right below the average real exam score: Average mock exam and real exam scores as reported by 1441 users of JA+ V8.

There are several factors that affect this data. Some factors are opposing. For example, people who failed real exam may not report their score, which pushes the real exam score average higher, while not including scores of people who genuinely scored less than 35% on the mocks pushes the average mock exam score higher.

We put out this information because we felt that it might be useful but, as with any data, one has to be careful while relying on it. Would be interesting to hear what other test takers feel.

Bottom line is this - do not worry too much about it. Study well. Aim for 90% instead of 63%.

 
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I've not found anyone on the certification results posts that claimed the Enthuware tests were more difficult.  

I've read people scoring in the 60s that still failed though, and if the real exams were easier, that shouldn't have happened.  

I think people would tend to get better as they went along all 7 tests and last day, so 12% better on average is misleading, I think.  

I was kind of hoping to have it out of the way before returning to graduate school in 3 weeks, but I can't really get it down cold even after around 4 months of studying.  
 
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Also 1443 users doesn't say much given over 10 thousand people have taken the last day unique test.   I'm not thinking enough people lied about their results to skew the averages.  

I was just wondering if anyone who took it actually found it to be easier than the mock exams, because those whose books I've read did not think so.  I'm willing to bet also the people who have taken some of the practices before the exam already knew the material, but were just brushing up and already were getting high scores.  I'm actually waiting to see if someone can attest to scoring near passing range on the last several tests, and getting over around 72% on the actual exam.
 
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That will be a long answer. Cause I'll tell you my experience.

In 2015 I took the 1z0-808. I used the excellent book by the wonderful Jeanne Boyarsk and the master Scott Selikoff. I also used the Enthuware mocks together. I performed all the mocks and in the first simulated I failed. I reviewed the whole test, understood my mistakes, and with each new test I gradually improved.

At the time of the real test I was very nervous the test rate here in Brazil given the conversion of dollars to "reais" is very high. The financial loss of failing the exam is expensive here in Brazil. Overall, as far as I can remember, the questions weren't exactly alike but were very close, and what really mattered was the context of the question that had been addressed in the mocks. Anyway I had a really good result I took 98%.

It was a long time before I could get a chance to focus on 1z0-809 on 2019 year. Again I used the wonderful book by the wonderful Jeanne Boyarsk and the master Scott Selikoff. (This year I took the AWS certification and at the time used the whizlabs mocks that served me very well for AWS test, I received a discount to purchase the java mocks to 1z0-809).

Such was my disappointment with whizlabs mocks. There are a lot of wrong questions. The explanations are terrible, have reference links to subjects not related to the question. What bothered me most of all was the incorrect spelling of the questions, especially when it involved generics. They just didn't use <> (diamond) everything turned into raw type and nothing compiled. Yet the answers were as if they had put in a specific kind of generic. I opened a series of complaints to each wrong question. I bothered to point out the errors. Worst of all were the answers from the whizlab people who said they would find out and would return an answer that has not yet come to me.

I returned to use the services of Enthuware.
I made two specific dates time mocks because for me they were the theme that I have the most difficulty and the first I took 40% and the second 80%. Then by mistake I started a wrong mock and canceled which gave me the 0% result. Then I made the standard first and took 80%. Following I did the Standard Test 1 I got 70%. Today I have a much better financial situation than I had in 2015 I decided to try the test this year. To try to close the year with a golden key. I had hoped to pass but was prepared to fail. If it failed I would focus on the rest of the Enthuware mocks. To my own surprise I passed the exam yesterday with 76%. It was not a spectacular result like the previous one but I am super happy. What really matters is passing. I found the test 1z0-809 much more difficult than the previous one 1z0-808. The questions are longer and I finished the race with 7 seconds left to finish. I didn't even get a chance to review the questions.

The fact is that the 2 mocks I made by enthuware were no spelling errors. The answers are very clear, the references are correct. I find it funny to go to the discussion forum about the answers. Sometimes there are some very funny discussions where one person or another insists that the answer is wrong and the enthuware guy sometimes seems to be on the edge trying to explain things. I really had fun.

Spend more energy studying for the test, doing the mocks and not thinking about how much more difficult the mock is than the test or how many people who pass and who do not pass.
In the end it does not matter when you are in the cabin taking the test and the timer against you.
Good luck on your journey.
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I started using enthuware a short period before I took the actual exam. I actually only did some objective wise tests and easy tests. I did poorly. In the end I passed the exam with a score of 78%.

Next week I will be going for the OCP exam. This time I started using enthuware right from the start. While Jeanne and Scott’s book is fantastic (and Esteban Herrera has a fantastic book too!) I am convinced the enthuware tests help me to understand the intrinsic details of everything. It enables you to asses your current understanding of the subject matter after which you can spend time to hone your skill and knowledge where you need it most.

I am fairly certain I would fail my exam without enthuware. But above all, it has really helped me to UNDERSTAND what I am learning. Just reading is not enough, applying is more effective. Just my 2 cents.
 
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SL: welcome to the Ranch and thank you for those full details.
 
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Thank you, Santiago and Gillian!!
 
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I talked to a friend who mentioned that he had a difficult time getting over 70% on the mock exams, but still got around 90% on the real exam.  So, for some people, the actual test is much easier.  


One possibility for some of the people getting in the 60s and low 70s and still failing the real exam I can think of is that many of them seemed to whip through them a bit more.  One poster here mentioned only taking the last day test and getting a 69% and still failing, and others didn't start using them until within a few weeks before the real exam.  I think that many of them were thinking of the test more as trying to hit that magic number of 65% and got a basic passing score on one or two of the enthuware tests either out of luck, due to their strong knowledge on a couple topics but weak in other areas.  It's possible when they got to the real exam, given a lot of questions were not familiar material, they may have panicked on those, not taken enough time to do the questions they would likely get right, or changed some of their answers out of second guessing themselves too many times that they wouldn't have done it if it was only practice.  

I usually verify that I"m getting the tough and very tough ones right a good portion of the time too.  It's possible to get a passing score on Enthuware just by getting the easy and very easy ones right and very few of the harder ones.   If you're not though, it's possible that on the real exam only the very tough ones are actually a bit easier, and if you didn't get them right on the practice tests, you still may not be making the connection of the concepts.
 
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There are all sorts of possible explanations for why people get score X% on one test and Y% on a different test. I don't think such speculation is going to do you much good, I am afraid. In order to pass the exam, you have to know the material that will be asked about, and you have to use correct exam technique, e.g. you should answer all questions.
 
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The last test I had a 73%, and that included a solid mastery of all the concepts except that one question on lambdas.    I'm just saying that according to the numbers, most people are not scoring in the 80s and up on all those enthuware tests, and I'm willing to bet that many people who are passing the actual exam are likely still getting in the 60s and low 70s on the Enthuware tests as I have already met one who has and the average reported scores are around 13% higher.  
 
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On a lighter note, this reminds me of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The more seriously you do a mock exam (to get a more precise measure of your preparation), the less accurate is the prediction about your real exam score! Every mock exam teaches you something and that improves your score in the next exam. So, yes, you could very well be correct that the real exam is not necessarily easier than the mock exams.
However, it can be established that answering the real exam does become easier if you practice with good quality mock exams
 
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Here is my experience with the excellent Enthuware:

1z0-808: Averarage mock score: 76%; Exam score: 85%

1z0-809: Average mock score: 74%; Exam score: 72%

As you can see, in my case at least, for 1z0-808 the score difference was consistent to the majority of people reporting it. The 1z0-809 exam, I took on 2nd of December 2019, being already tired from study (way more material than required for 1z0-808) and work. So I hurried a bit to finish the year with a sense of accomplishment. One day before the exam I actually failed the Last Day Test with 64%. So I was quite nervous on the exam.

The questions on the Enthuware are very close to the real thing. However, the extra difficulty comes from the fact that you have more optons to choose the right answer from, some being very similar (so you really need to know the topic). On the real exam each question has only 4 answers. So, even if you have to guess, there are higher chances for a correct answer.

Good luck. As it was already mentioned, aim for 90%!
 
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