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I failed the OCJP 8 P II exam - first attempt

 
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I took the IZO-809 Exam yesterday, and got a 53%. I had roughly 4 days of preparation with whizlabs videos. Now, I am going topic by topic using
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OCP II Study Guide by Jeanne Boyarsky and Scott Selikoff
Oracle Certified Professional Java SE Programmer - S G Ganesh, Hari Kiran, Tusahar Sharma
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Enthuware (The questions here looked close to what I saw in the exams, than whizlabs)
I am also now writing my test programs with notepad, and compiling from command line.
I do hope I am on the right track. I will retake the exam in exactly 5 days from today. I need to ace it this time, with at least 90.
 
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4 days.. 5 days.. maybe you should give yourself more time?  Also, I'm pretty sure you have to wait.. nevermind Oracle's retake policy is 5 days now (I thought it was higher).  Anyway, I think you should study more, maybe do a chapter a day?  Most people spend at least a month preparing for the exam.  The goal is not only to pass, but to learn the material so that you can write higher quality code.  
 
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lord uhuru wrote:I took the IZO-809 Exam yesterday, and got a 53%. I had roughly 4 days of preparation with whizlabs videos. Now, I am going topic by topic using
Books:
OCP II Study Guide by Jeanne Boyarsky and Scott Selikoff
Oracle Certified Professional Java SE Programmer - S G Ganesh, Hari Kiran, Tusahar Sharma
Practice:
Enthuware (The questions here looked close to what I saw in the exams, than whizlabs)
I do hope I am on the right track. I will retake the exam in exactly 5 days from today. I need to ace it this time, with at least 90.



I think that taking it again in 5 days is too risky. From other posters (who are experienced devs), who passed the exam, they even take at least a couple of months to prepare. The goal isn't to memorize the practice example questions, which will give you a false sense of confidence, but to genuinely learn the actual material.
 
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lord uhuru wrote:I took the IZO-809 Exam yesterday, and got a 53%. I had roughly 4 days of preparation with whizlabs videos. Now, I am going topic by topic using
Books:
OCP II Study Guide by Jeanne Boyarsky and Scott Selikoff
Oracle Certified Professional Java SE Programmer - S G Ganesh, Hari Kiran, Tusahar Sharma
Practice:
Enthuware (The questions here looked close to what I saw in the exams, than whizlabs)
I do hope I am on the right track. I will retake the exam in exactly 5 days from today. I need to ace it this time, with at least 90.



I think that taking it again in 5 days is too risky. From other posters (who are experienced devs), who passed the exam, they even take at least a couple of months to prepare. The goal isn't to memorize the practice example questions, which will give you a false sense of confidence, but to genuinely learn the actual material.



I actually took a break from work to focus on this. So I have the entire days in-between. Also, it is a requirement that I come back to work with it.
Again, the Oracle retake Policy is that I have to take it again in 5 days from the date of failed exam. So I am constrained, and need guidance

 
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It's going to be really tough to improve your score in 5 days. I'm also not sure if you have to take it so soon. Oracle's retake policy states

Candidates may schedule a retake of a failed exam after 48 hours, for an appointment date 5 days from the failed exam appointment date.
Candidates may retake an online non-proctored exam at any time (online non-proctored exams available in Japan only.)
Candidates may not retake a passed exam at any time.
Candidates are only allowed 4 attempts to pass an exam in a 12-month period.
The retake policy was put in place to protect the integrity of the Oracle Certification Program exam content and allow the candidate additional time to prepare for a failed exam. Please note that violation of the retake policy in any way, including but not limited to, registering for and retaking an exam under a new Oracle Testing ID within the 5-day waiting period, is against policy and will be treated as a violation of the Exam Retake Policy.



This says you have to wait at least 2 days before scheduling your exam. That's clear. The five day thing is less clear. "for an appointment date 5 day" sounds like it could be exactly 5 days or at least five days. Common sense suggests they don't expect people to be free exactly five days later.

"within the 5-day waiting period" - this is clearer to me. It sounds like the five days is a lower bound. So you could take the exam in two weeks or whenever.  The old rule was you had to wait at least two weeks. Wikipedia still has this number and it is called a 14 day waiting period. So I think you can wait longer to retake and increase your chances of success
 
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Hi Lord Uhuru,

Your study sources look good, exactly what you need to pass the exam successfully.

I recommend you just spend more time on preparation and not rush in exam again, especially after 5 days.

I believe there is some misunderstanding about 5 days, was it a condition of free retake policy from Oracle? If yes, then it does not make sense, how a failed person can prepare so fast. 8((
 
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.. it is a requirement that I come back to work with it."

I'm actually more concerned about your employer . It seems they aren't confident in their hiring process.
Good luck with exam but keep your eyes open for another job.
 
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Mikalai Zaikin wrote:. . . 5 days, was it a condition of free retake policy from Oracle? If yes, then it does not make sense, how a failed person can prepare so fast. 8((

From Jeanne's quote, the answer is yes. That is a minimum, to prevent people going back immediately. It is theoretically possible for somebody who got 64% because of a specific knowledge gap to learn to fill that gap in five days, so they imposed that delay as a minimum. It seems to me to mean, if you fail the exam on the 31st, you are allowed to try again on the 5th.
Remember that delay is a minimum, nor a recommendation, and I think that Olivia Johnson is right that five days would be too soon for you to resit.

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Campbell Ritchie wrote:

Mikalai Zaikin wrote:. . . 5 days, was it a condition of free retake policy from Oracle? If yes, then it does not make sense, how a failed person can prepare so fast. 8((

From Jeanne's quote, the answer is yes. That is a minimum, to prevent people going back immediately. It is theoretically possible for somebody who got 64% because of a specific knowledge gap to learn to fill that gap in five days, so they imposed that delay as a minimum. It seems to me to mean, if you fail the exam on the 31st, you are allowed to try again on the 5th.
Remember that delay is a minimum, nor a recommendation, and I think that Olivia Johnson is right that five days would be too soon for you to resit.

...and...welcome to the Ranch


Thank you Campbell, for taking the time to make this inference. How to proceed is clear now. I will give more time, and study more before the retake, roughly 2 weeks. I will make a formal application for extension at work.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:It's going to be really tough to improve your score in 5 days. I'm also not sure if you have to take it so soon. Oracle's retake policy states

Candidates may schedule a retake of a failed exam after 48 hours, for an appointment date 5 days from the failed exam appointment date.
Candidates may retake an online non-proctored exam at any time (online non-proctored exams available in Japan only.)
Candidates may not retake a passed exam at any time.
Candidates are only allowed 4 attempts to pass an exam in a 12-month period.
The retake policy was put in place to protect the integrity of the Oracle Certification Program exam content and allow the candidate additional time to prepare for a failed exam. Please note that violation of the retake policy in any way, including but not limited to, registering for and retaking an exam under a new Oracle Testing ID within the 5-day waiting period, is against policy and will be treated as a violation of the Exam Retake Policy.



This says you have to wait at least 2 days before scheduling your exam. That's clear. The five day thing is less clear. "for an appointment date 5 day" sounds like it could be exactly 5 days or at least five days. Common sense suggests they don't expect people to be free exactly five days later.

"within the 5-day waiting period" - this is clearer to me. It sounds like the five days is a lower bound. So you could take the exam in two weeks or whenever.  The old rule was you had to wait at least two weeks. Wikipedia still has this number and it is called a 14 day waiting period. So I think you can wait longer to retake and increase your chances of success


Thank you Jeanne, and everyone who has helped provide guidance. I will give it more time as suggested; 2 weeks.
 
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lord uhuru wrote: will give more time, and study more before the retake, roughly 2 weeks. I will make a formal application for extension at work.



Two months (or at least 1) would be better, if you can apply for such extension. Just my 2 cents.
 
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