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Redundant acronyms

 
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The first one I noticed was pcv valve:pollution control valve valve.
How about abc bank:American bank of commerce bank bank.
Or, similar. FedEx express:federal Express express.

I'm sure some of you  have run into others.
 
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Yeah, I thought of "ATM machine" which means "automated teller machine machine". But when I searched the web for that it led me to a Wikipedia page which noted that it was redundant and pointed to another Wikipedia page about RAS syndrome (which is also a redundant acronym which describes the general phenomenon of redundant acronyms.
 
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Paul Clapham wrote:"ATM machine" which means "automated teller machine machine"


and the PIN number that you enter at the ATM machine
 
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PIN and RAS might be acronyms, but the others aren't. They are initialisms, the difference being that an acronym can be pronounced as a single word.
 
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That reminds me of people pronouncing "sql" as "sequel", which drives me nuts.
 
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There was an older similar language called SEQL, which should be pronounced sequel.
 
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Randal Twede wrote:FedEx express:federal Express express.



I've never heard anyone call it "FedEx Express".  I've only ever heard "FedEx" or "Federal Express".  
 
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JSP pages
 
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To be fair, I don't find repetition such as JSP pages redundant. "Java Server Pages" is the name of a technology or standard. A "Java Server Pages page" is a template that makes use of that technology.

Contrast PIN, which literally refers to the actual number. A "personal identification number number" makes no sense.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:Contrast PIN, which literally refers to the actual number. A "personal identification number number" makes no sense.



Except that in some cases, I've seen "PIN" used to refer to non-numeric security codes. I think, for example Windows 10 used the term for the login screen. So not only redundant, but inaccurate.
 
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