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How long did it take you to find a job?

 
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Hi good morning. For the self-taught without university degrees and studying Java for a year or 6 months, have they got a job or not? Have they got interviews or not? Thank you.
PS: Please tell me what year you got a job.
 
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Please remind us where you live; the duration probably varies from country to country.
 
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I live in Latin America, but my idea is to look in the future in a country where English is spoken.
 
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I've been 1.5 years away from graduating for decades now, although Java hadn't even been invented when I started.

These days, alas, to get a developer job in the USA at least, I'm pretty sure you have to have some sort of degree. Then again, these days a degree is almost mandatory to dispense coffee at StarbucksĀ®. Plus of course, crushing student loan debt. Just waiting for the peasants to revolt at this point.
 
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how long ago did you receive?
That the peasants rebel? or do you mean students doing internships?
Well, asking for a loan in the USA is an investment, something different from what happens in my country (third country with the highest inflation in the world, among other things....)
I think that if you received your degree in something related to IT, you are blessed, even more so if you speak English natively.
 
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Please don't quote the whole of the preceding post; that adds nothing but length to the discussion, and is liable to removal.

Bruno Valdeolmillos wrote:. . . a loan in the USA is an investment . . . my country . . . with the highest inflation in the world . . .

You mean that if you keep your loan outstanding for a year, it will be worth half of what you borrowed? High inflation means you are repaying less in real terms than what you borrowed.
 
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In my prime university days, I could afford to work 6 months, take 6 months of classes and repeat. Unfortunately, working for only 6 months is not really an option once I got my first professional IT job so I had to work for several years, then finally quit to go back to school, then end up going back to work before I was done. I did manage to get in some part-time school later, but the economy shortly made that infeasible as well. It's no longer beneficial to my career to possess a papter certification, so I've resigned myself to free-form learning. Incidentally, I was briefly an adjunct professor, but my students all ran away screaming. I'm a better doer than teacher.

Since my University heyday, 3 things have gone up much faster than general inflation. Medicine, housing, and education. Many nations have you covered for medicine and education, but not the good old USA. We have to pay dearly for all 3 and unless you have wealthy parents, that often means student loans.

It's true that a student loan is an investment, but not all investments turn a profit (I once owned 1000 shares of Air Florida) and many feel that student loans are of that nature these days. Rack up $50,000-$150,000 for an ordinary degree and get offered a $25,000 job? A common joke among US students that the best way to end their student loans is to die. You can forget about medical or law degrees unless you  have the right friends or relatives or an uncanny amount of financial luck. You can see this ind all the political pressure put on President Biden to simply forgive all student loans outright.

The insult that goes with the injury, of course, is that salaries have not paced inflation since "Trickle Down Economics" came into fashion (CEOs, obviously excepted). To the point that unless you have a major employer waiting for you at the end of the graduation platform, not only will paying the student loan be problematic, but paying rent (forget about buying a house), buying food, or - apparently now in Texas - even keeping electricity on to run your computer to job-hunt or run air conditioning so you won't die of heatstroke are now virtually impossible.

And when it comes to air conditioning, while it's fun to mock the softness of Americans, the entire nation is located about 10 degrees closer to the equator compared to most of Europe. It's why the "spaghetti western" movies were filmed at the very south of Spain - climate most closely resembers Texas/North Mexico. Yes. I've lived without A/C, but there's reason why the English thought that people in India were lazy - you HAVE to move more slowly in that sort of heat. And siesta.

Again, I'm saying all this from a US-centric view, but it's just the boil on the pimple. Other countries have unaffordable housing and pittance wages, and if some had their way those nations would have the "freedom" of all-you-can-afford medical plans.

So there are a LOT of unhappy young people right now. And though people will endure incredible levels of suffering, especially if fed the right kind of propaganda, a single straw can break an over-loaded camel's back. Ask the French in 1789.
 
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Bruno,
i graduated from WSU with a degree in Computer Science with an option in Math in 1990, in the December graduation of that year.  it took me 2 months to find a job programming--if you look back at that time, it was when the dot com bubble burst and there were web developers in droves trying to pass themselves off as programmers and enter the programming market.  Java was not a very big portion of the market back then, and was miniscule in our area--Washington State, Microsoft's backyard.

here it the point i usually give a plug for higher education: that degree got me into the job market as a programmer, and shot me ahead of people that had literally decades of experience.  because i could say Comp Sci with Math option on my resume, i got into places and still get into places that others without a degree will not be able to go.  i do realize not everyone can do college, but, at least for me, i shot me past scores of people in each job that i've had that had way more experience than i had, but they didn't have the degree.  yes, even today 32 years down the road, that college degree continues to pay off, even as i start looking at retirement.

i didn't start working in Java until 1998 or '99, just after Java 2 came out, by that time i was the Senior Programmer for an agency and helped coordinate every programming that they did.  Java was on my radar by then, but the lack of robust features needed for Enterprise development kept me from seriously considering it until then.  we gave it a try, and much to the resistance of management, we converted our entire development efforts to Java--all but abandoning MS development tools except as our database and legacy applications.

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Anybody else?
 
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