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Another McDonald's lawsuit

 
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I think Jim hit the nail on the head in saying that they should only have to list the ingredients INTENTIONALLY added. All this stuff about beef specks in the air and cross-contamination digresses from the responsibility that McD's has to be forthright when asked about what they consciously put into their products.

Originally posted by Andy Ceponis:
But on to a more general question. Say i dont like seaweed. Now should everyone who makes "MILKshakes" have to tell everyone that there might be seaweed in the shakes? I would have no reasonable expectation of milkshakes containing seaweed.


I don't think the issue is whether they should have to pro-actively alert everyone that there is a certain ingredient in their food. The issue is whether they should be able to LIE when EXPLICITLY asked. No matter what legal gibberish you spew out, lying to customers who have religious dietary concerns is just plain wrong and I believe they will pay for it.
 
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Originally posted by David Junta:
I think Jim hit the nail on the head in saying that they should only have to list the ingredients INTENTIONALLY added.


Yes but he also goes on to say that the law suit is not warranted.


The issue is whether they should be able to [b]LIE
when EXPLICITLY asked. No matter what legal gibberish you spew out, lying to customers who have religious dietary concerns is just plain wrong and I believe they will pay for it.
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With respect ( no offence intended )
The fact that an employee X lied to YOU might possibly be relevant if YOU want to file a suit. But the current issue is not YOUR private claim. (Incidentally you also need to show some consequent loss/injury - but that is besides the point)
How is it relevant for the class action being filed on behalf of the Hindus ?
Or are you saying that this lie is pursuant to some malicious POLICY (written/unwritten) that McD is following to LIE/MISREPRESENT to all hindus or to all vegens. Then maybe it is relevant to the class action. But an unlikely scenario.
After all the heat & dust I think a consensus has emerged. The issue has narrowed to this: whether McD can be faulted for specifying the miniscule beef flavouring simply as "natural flavouring". The consensus is that it should be more specific in the future, but that it furnishes no legitmate grounds for the current Hindu law suit.
 
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>I was more worried about your "utter rage"
Yep that was my initial reaction. I still feel indignant... and still dislike McD for what they did. The word 'recalcitrant' was invented to describe me
>Are you saying that kosher compliance was achieved through a law suit ?
I am just wondering if anyone knew the history behind it. Would be interesting to see how it first took root; and eventually became established.
>I think a consensus has emerged
You are not trying to force a consensus, are you?

[This message has been edited by Nanhesru Ningyake (edited May 09, 2001).]
 
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consensus or die
Never take LIFE too seriously because you will never get out of it ALIVE.

[This message has been edited by Rahul Rathore (edited May 10, 2001).]
 
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Had to dig this thread out:
News: McDonald's Apologies for Fries
That link won't work any more, so here's the extract from McD's website:
McDonald's U.S.A. is always sensitive to customer concerns. Because it is our policy to communicate to customers, we regret if customers felt that the information we provided was not complete enough to meet their needs. If there was confusion, we apologize.
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OY!
first off, it's amazing how many people here feel it's ok to serve meat to vegetarians without telling them. ignorance isn't an excuse? sure it is. it's the company's responsibility to inform it's customers what they're eating. you say we can find out by reading nutrition info leaflets? i've yet to see one at McD's. i am recently a vegan and had no idea that McD's uses beef in the fries. and i have eatten the fries since i made the switch. why? well, like a few others have pointed out, nobody in their right mind would assume fries have meat in them. they're fries! and they do not use the same oil to cook other foods, i know this because here you can see into the kitchen and watch them make the fries, and they have their own seperate fryer from anything else that might be fried. so i thought it was safe to assume the fries were vegan. D'oh!
how can anyone say it's ok to serve meat to someone who is vegetarian due to lifestyle choices or due to religion? that's rediculous.
anyway, a few of you mentioned that McD's shouldn't have to make seperate foods for vegetarians... they DON'T have to, i wouldn't care if they didn't. it just makes sense that they inform their consumers that what they are ingesting is meat. what if someone was allergic to beef and unknowingly ate the fries and got sick? then you'd all be routing for the consumer i bet. you're just angry in this case because you feel vegetarianism isn't something to be taken seriously. well it most certainly is!! it is a fantastic lifestyle choice, it is good for us, good for the planet, and good for the animals. i suggest you all go visit PETA's website for more information on this subject because you are all obviously grossly missinformed!
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The only PETA i wanna see is one that is wrapped around large chunks of charbrioled pork shishkabobs or maybe some very juicy gyros or even some authentic shwarma meat......MMMMMMMMM
Now THATS a PETA......
 
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Here Sandra is going on about how meat eaters are grossly misinformed, and that eating meat is wrong. Sweetheart practice what you preach...
You obviously dont like it when people impose their beef flavoured fries on you. Just cause you dont agree with a beleive dont make it wrong.
Thanks and enjoy your beef flavoured fries
 
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and you may have noticed i said no they don't come in contact with meat at the locations near me, they are cooked on a totally seperate side if the kitchen. and the only point i was trying to make was that the information should have been available, so you just agreed with me so what the heck's your problem?
excuse me for being new and trying to get into a conversation. like i said, i'm newly vegan and this topic interested me. i thought this was a discussion board? a friend forwarded this topic to me and i felt i should reply, i did not notice the dates, so sorry for "bringing it back from the dead"
i thought maybe i'd get a nicer welcoming than this, that was my first ever post here. geez!! really nice guys, you sure know how to make a girl feel welcome
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Sandra, welcome aboard. In fact there was a lot of hue and cry over this topic long back. Guys who have participated in the discussion wouldn't really appreciate the thread being exhumed. So, let it rest and get on with the current ones. Have a nice time while you are here....
 
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Sandra, this is a tough place; it's a saloon afterall, and you will find desperate mudslingers, sleazy lawyers, pure lunatics, asinine bigots, and wacky vegetarians here. Don't you notice all the plain-clothed sheriffs lurking in the shadows?
So welcome to the most happening place on the Ranch
I fully support your views. Most people simply cannot accept the fact that vegetarianism is possible; and can lead to a much safer, healthier lifestyle.
In my opinion, those bastards at McDonalds clearly were indulging in adulteration. I am pretty sure they knew what the implications would be, but were simply ignoring it; until someone discovered what they were upto, and brought it out to light.
After this incident, I started noticing that so many products in the market have this secret ingredient "Natural flavoring". All those products could theoretically contain beef in them Perhaps we should lobby the FDA, or whoever governs these things, to force manufacturers to actually list out what goes into their natural flavoring.
We had an overzealous lawyer supporting McD, on this thread. Poor fellow, he's gone now - overdosed on his own humor

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I am sorry Sandra...I was only fooling aound. Welcome to JavaRanch home of Java the Hutt.
 
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Not too long ago I was talking to a professional scientist about how I should display this number in a certain java program I wrote:
2.000001
He told me I could display it like this:
2
or this:
2.00000
or this:
2.000001
He then said "But the first way is most readable."
Then I said "But it's not an exact representation."
"Yes, but when a scientist looks at any measurement he treats it this:" he said.
x being represented by 2 means
1.5 <= x < 2.5
So, now, when I see "100% .......", I see "99.5%-100% ........." Now I'm not saying everyone should look at things this way, but saying something is 100% is always going to be a measurement.
 
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thanks guys. i'll leave this topic alone, but i just want to mention something first.
i checked out McD's website, a totally useless and frustrating piece of junk, and it says that the FDA allows them to say "natural flavouring" instead of beef on their nutritional info leaflets. so how the heck are we supposed to know it's beef? it's rediculous. also, they say they switched to vegetable oil some years back to "offer a cholesterol-free menu item" (meaning the fries) but we know now there is beef in the fries, and we also know that any and ALL animal products contain cholesterol. so how is it that their fries are cholesterol free? hah!
just wanted to point that out
 
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Sandra..good old canadian girl
 
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Once upon a time, when I was a wee little chap, I vowed never to eat at McD's again. I don't remember precisely why. I eventually ate at McD's a few more times. Burger King has them way outdone.
 
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canadian yes, but old.. well no. turning 21 next month
i don't like burger king, never did, so i stick to wendy's (the pita's are ok but i have to get them without cheese or dressing) and i heard their gravy is vegan so i'll have to check that out. also i eat at harvey's sometimes because they have almost-decent veggie burgers
 
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Not old in the sense "OLD"(aged)
:P
 
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We dont have Harvey's here in America. But i like the concept of making your own burgers like that. And they are pretty good as well.
mmmmmmmmm Beef mmmmmmmmmmm
 
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Actually, McDonalds in many instances did promise me that their fries are vegetarian. I have been told by countless managers that the fries are competely vegetarian and contain no meat products whatsoever. McDonald's started using vegetabe oil in response to Burgar King and Wendy's, which converted about 10 years ago. McDonald's then proclaimed that they too made a switch, but conceiled the fact that they still used used beef to flavor fries. This news finally came to light a couple months ago. To join the primary lawsuit, you must have been told by McDonald's employees that their fries contain no meat whatsoever, not just that they are cooed in 100% vegetable oil.
 
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Wow this thing has gone on forever. There seems to be some points that people have left out. First McDonalds went on record as saying there was no beef products in their fries. Meanwhile they knowingly added it. I say knowingly because McDonalds is run in such a way that nothing happens at McDonalds without a team of specialist knowing about it. If there is proof that they knowing lied then there is absoultly a law suit.
Second point) Many of you have mentioned that there are too many frivolous law suits. 98% of all law suits in this country are done by corporations, not private citizens. We often hear stories about the old woman who spilled coffee in her lap and won millions of dollars. Actually she won less then $500,000. This was after receiving third degree burns all over her legs. She was also hospitialized as a result of her injury. She was not the only one either. Many people were injured as a result of the temperature of McDonalds coffee, including little kids. McDonalds was repeatedly warned that they needed to lower the temperature of their coffee, but they refused to listen. Finally there were sued and lost about a few hours pay. McDonald makes $500,000 ever few hours. Does this sound reasonable? If you continued to make a mistake a work and were continually warned about it and they finally dock you a few hours pay would you think it was crime?
 
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