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No body ask you to accept what is came from Islam but at least when you disagree
You can said in nice way not important to hurt the Muslim here,Same way I will not accept any things came from your religion but doesn�t mean I will attack you or you religion, and if I said some thing wrong about Hindu that was reply for that�s post, I don�t have time to tell you what he said, try to recheck again, I thing you didn�t see what others said about Islam or you keep yourself blind about there post.
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Mr Nice Guy: that quote is interesting. However, it was already "known" prior to the Qu'ran (by people such as the Greeks) that the Sun and Moon were in "orbit" around the Earth. It was not widely understood that the Moon orbits the Earth which orbits the Sun which orbits the galactic center which probably orbits some local group of galaxies; I forget. (Actually some people such Aristarchus had already suggested the possibility that the Earth orbited the Sun, but this was not widely accepted.) It's not clear what exactly is meant by Surat al-Anbiya: 33 - it's entirely possible (from the translation here) that it just meant the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth - and if so, that knowledge was (a) not new, and (b) wrong. If the text had more clearly implied a heliocentric (and/or "galactocentric" or whatever) system, that would have been fairly impressive. But unfortunately it does not - the text gives an ambiguous statement with you are retroactively interpreting with modern knowledge. It's another example of "post-diction" as Thomas discusses above.


How you interpreted like this?.it does'nt mean Sun and Moon orbits Earth.it only mean Sun and Moon having orbits.
If you thinking one step ahead,what you say about miracle on fingertips?.
'The Miracle' does'nt mean 'invensions'.It can be anything.If a mentally disabled person doing programming in java,that a miracle.So a miracle does'nt mean new invensions.It can be anything.We know the arabic culture when Prophet Mohammed was born in Arabia.There was a wild ignorent culture goes on at that time.World is not very communicative to transfer the knowledge.So an average thinking person can understand the fact that Prophet Mohammed never had an opportunity to understand about the space and all the things he
said about humanity and the world.It is actually said as miracle.
Another one:
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That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur'an as follows:

By the sky full of paths and orbits. (Surat adh-Dhariyat: 7)

There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe, consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. Most of these stars have planets, and most of those planets have satellites. All of these heavenly bodies move in very precisely computed orbits. For millions of years, each has been "swimming" along in its own orbit in perfect harmony and order with all the others. Moreover, many comets also move along in the orbits determined for them.
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Originally posted by <benerves>:
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benerves
I replied to your post and then edited.
Becuase after posting I saw that Jim has deleted your post so it was of no use to keep dirty things.
AW regarding smell of Indians[which you might wanted to say Hindus], you should smell us from long because Hindus dont take bath only on Jumma [in dirty word, washing one day Penis is not good enough but taking bath everyday and worshiping Penis is better option ]
And that smell which makes you find Indian is called scent of India
AW How do you come to know abt Penis theory
Poor Maulana.. tell him to tell you the whole story.
Congregations: This is another thing which I hate, because they never talk about their own religion, whole time goes in counting others faults.
AW repeating myself:

Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:


[I have nothing to say coz if I say then it might hurt someone's religious feelings.... but please let me smile]


And for me there is no difference in any relegion.
All religion make fool of common people.
And foolish people follow religion blindly.
Now we have Police and Law to maintain society and to live in peace, which I think WAS the purpose of any religion.
Amen.
[ June 29, 2003: Message edited by: Ravish Kumar ]
 
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Originally posted by <Mr Nice Guy>:

Another one:
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That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur'an as follows:


I think its copied from this book :mrgreen:
 
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Just came to know ..
All Muslims are Hindus :mrgreen:
You are also Butparast[idol worshiper]
 
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Originally posted by Ravish Kumar :
This could be one reason to pray Cow because it gives you milk
For a Dhobi[Laundry man], donkey is God.
Whats wrong in praying to Penis.
[Can you see P of Penis is in caps as G of God is in Caps]
AW regarding smell of Indians[which you might wanted to say Hindus], you should smell us from long because Hindus dont take bath only on Jumma [in dirty word, washing one day Penis is not good enough but taking bath everyday and worshiping Penis is better option ]
And that smell which makes you find Indian is called scent of India


What this person is saying???.Ravish,you have any idea about what you are saying??.
Why you are not praying to asshole?.You know,if asshole stops it's duty,your all body will suffer.Your brain cant work,Your Hands will shiffer.So asshole provides you a lot of good.Then why you are not praying to asshole?.Or asshole is on your god's list with cow and penis?
 
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Ravish Kumar,
AW regarding smell of Indians[which you might wanted to say Hindus], you should smell us from long because Hindus dont take bath only on Jumma
To remember you the Muslim wash there legs 5 time a day so don�t tell me we one day a weak If you pray to your Penis you make me so happy to see some people they live with us some time you said cows and donkeys but your Penis so funny, at least Christian and Muslim and joush came from one god,I dont know from where you get this religions Hindu,i think you have problem to understand what god does mean? and not gods as you say keep pray to your Penis and If you want to make your god happy bring him somevigra
And foolish people follow religion blindly.
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Originally posted by <Sarkari Karmachari>:

So asshole provides you a lot of good.Then why you are not praying to asshole?.Or asshole is on your god's list with cow and penis?


You are true.
Actually we should worship our body and ourself only. And this is the ultimate truth which Hinuism preaches also.
I am agree with you
Will you agree with me ..
 
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Originally posted by <benerves>:
Ravish Kumar,
[b]To remember you the Muslim wash there legs 5 time a day so don�t tell me we one day a weak


Sometimes it is refered as Kankad Snan in Hinduism. But complete Snan[Bath] is when you clean your whole body[includes Penis and legs ].
It is believed that when your body is clean then your mind also tend to be clean.
 
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Originally posted by <benerves>:
I dont know from where you get this religions Hindu,i think you have problem to understand what god does mean?


When your hangover of Maulana's dose is over then come back again for healthy discussion
AW You are right Hinduins is not religion, its way of life.
i think you have problem to understand what god does mean?
I know very well what God does mean.
But still I would like to know the meaning of God without using any religious word from you.
If you cant think of difinition of God outside of your Holy book then please do not hesitate to ask me. I will tell you.
 
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But still I would like to know the meaning of God without using any religious word from you.
Yeah, and preferably without using the letters G, O, or D as well. :roll:
You know, I've been enjoying this thread, and would like to see it continue. But I really don't feel like taking the time to sift through the assorted comments from Ravish and benerves and try to determine which ones are acceptable and which ones are not. (I see benerves doesn't have the time to state which posts are a problem for him, but evidently I should take the time to figure it out for him?) You are both being increasingly mocking of the other's religion. I see three basic possibilities: (a) you guys knock it off; (b) we start deleting all posts from either of you, or (c) this thread gets closed or deleted. It wouldn't surprise me if another sheriff or moderator decides to go with C at this point; I couldn't really argue much. But I'm not doing it myself (yet) because I have this foolish hope that we might be able to continue the interesting conversations that we've been having so far.
So, which option would you prefer?
 
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My option is B.Both ravish and 'benervous' is blaming each other.
To Jim:- What is Your openion on my previous post?.
 
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[Mr. Nice Guy]: To Jim:- What is Your openion on my previous post?.
OK, back to that...
How you interpreted like this?.it does'nt mean Sun and Moon orbits Earth.it only mean Sun and Moon having orbits.
That's true. I'm saying it's ambiguous either way. But I do find it a little suspicious that the verse mentions the Sun and Moon but not the earth - this suggests (but certaintly does not prove) that the author believed that the Sun and Moon were in orbits, but not the Earth.
We know the arabic culture when Prophet Mohammed was born in Arabia.There was a wild ignorent culture goes on at that time.World is not very communicative to transfer the knowledge.
I think this is probably true in general. But it doesn't rule out the possibility that information might have been communicated from the Greeks to some Arabs. In fact later many Greek texts were preserved by the Arab world, right, while Europe was in its Dark Ages? There seems to have been some connection here. Also remember that the original claim here was that "Quran (the last and final revelation of God) contains unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in this century." Or "As is also seen in this verse, Allah informs us about a scientific fact which was only discovered recently." That's just not true. The idea of orbits was not just discovered recently; it's been around for a long time, before the Qu'ran even. It's true that I don't know for sure how this info came into the Qu'ran. Maybe it was inspired by Allah, or maybe someone near the prophet had knowledge that had come from Greece (or somewhere else). And furthermore it's clear to me that the people at the islamicity website have exaggerated their claims here. They have lied when they said this konwledge was only discovered recently. Why should I now trust them to tell me truthfully about other things, like the history of Mohammed? I acknoledge that there's a great deal of information which I am ignorant of - but who should I trust for more reliable info? I have a hard time believing that a site like islamicity.com will reliably provide me with truth, since I have already seen several examples where I know they are in error. I don't have time to investigate all claims from an already dubious source. Where else should I go for more reliable information?
If you thinking one step ahead,what you say about miracle on fingertips?.
Well, it seems to me that the Qu'ran just mentioned the word "fingertips". It didn't say something like, for example, "these fingertips shall serve to identify a single man from among multitudes, even if that man has a twin brother identical in all other respects". That would have been much more "miraculous" to me. (Though it's still possible to imagine people millenia ago looking at their own fingertips and saying hey, look, these patterns are all different.) The fact that the word "fingertips" was mentioned just isn't that exciting, by itself.
'The Miracle' does'nt mean 'invensions'.It can be anything.If a mentally disabled person doing programming in java,that a miracle.So a miracle does'nt mean new invensions.It can be anything.
Well, it seemed to me that these miracles were being cited as evidence of the existence and power of God. Modern science was mentioned as if science somehow confirmed these Qu'ranic verses. But from what I know of the scientific method, a theory which is merely able to retroactively explain past events is not regarded as very useful. The most common test of truth for science is: can this theory be used to predict something in the future with some degree of reliability? E.g. if we are wondering if Newton's law of gravitation is true, we can use it to make preditions about how much force of attraction might exist between two objects - then measure the force that actually exists, and see if the theory was true. Scientists did this, many times, and have established that gravity does indeed work much like Newton described. (At least until Einstein came along with an even better explanation which allowed for even more accurate predictions.) So when Thomas and I ask if the Qu'ran can be used to reliably make some sort of predictions about the future, it's because we are responding to the suggestion that science can somehow validate islam, and we are attempting to apply the criteria of science as we understand it.
We're not going out of our way to challenge Islam. People have come to us, posting in a forum we regularly visit, and suggested that we should believe something because science confirms it. We are asking appropriate questions to determine for ourselves if this is true.
By the sky full of paths and orbits. (Surat adh-Dhariyat: 7)
Again, this doesn't really tell us anything that hadn't been noted by ancient astronomers. People could easily see that all those stars up there traveled on regular, predictable circular paths. The explanation for this varied - for example many people believed that all the stars they saw might be attached to some giant celestial sphere, and the sphere rotated around the earth, accounting for the circular paths theys saw. The phrase "the sky full of paths and orbits" doesn't really tell me that Mohammed meant anything different than what many people already believed at the time. It's possible that yes, he did have some divine source of knowledge - but convincing evidence is still not found here.
For what it's worth, I'm finding this exhange very interesting, and hope I do not offend you. And again I'm not saying that any of these arguements show that islam or the Quran are actually wrong - just that your arguments do not convince me they are right. And I do believe that certain specific Muslims are demonstrably wrong in their statements, such as Dr. Mansour Hassab-Elnaby, and whoever at islamicity.com is writing foolish things like "unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in this century".
Cheers...
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I agree with Jim. This thread was interesting but now it has been diluted too much by mudslinging.
There is a saying in Hindi, "Bad achha, badnam bura", which means, "One who is evil is good, but one who is reputed is bad (implicit: even if he is really not evil".
That's the kind of thing happening to me. Whatever I say, MrNiceGuy, Sameer Jamal and company believe that I hate muslims/Islam etc. While all I am really doing is questioning their theories. Putting their belief to the same set of tests that I put my beliefs to. When I ask for an explanation, instead of debating on the points, they start bring 100 other irrelevent points from Hinduism.
As Ravish said, there are 100 bad things about Hinduism. But counting others faults does not reduce your own. (Courtesy Deewar (Shashi Kapoor to Amitabh Bachhan): "Doosron ke paap ginane se apne paap kam nahin ho jaate, bhai".)
I believe that first step to solve a problem is to admit that it exists. In India, people agree that caste system is bad. It is social evil that must be removed and India has adopted measures (affirmative action) to the extent as no other country in the world has dared to adopt.
Devdasi system was bad. But where does it exist now? All over India?? No. It exists only in couple of places where poverty rules. There are tons of other things on which India is progressing.
Anyway, I would ask Mr.NiceGuy and company to come up with straight forward points. What they are trying to prove by quoting 100 websites? If they are posting something in the "discussion forum", they should understand that people will ask questions, people will agree and people will disagree...it is a discussion forum after all!!! If they don't have the guts to defend their platform or if they can't take critisism, then what's the point of posting it here???
I think it would be better to start a new thread and to keep it clean of unnecessary mudslinging.
In any case, let me add some fuel to the fire:
1. If pridicting planatory orbits makes Koran the word of god, then Aryabhatta (476AD) did that before Muhammad.
2. If embryology makes Koran the word of god, then Mahabharata said that 1000s of years before Koran.
3. The concept of "pralay" in Hinduism is well documented and is same as "Ice Age and stuff" that modern science predicts now.
So if you guys are hell bent on scientifying Koran, then there are tons of other books in other religious books that are already in the queue. Koran is the latest of them. Wait in line for your turn
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
I agree with Jim. This thread was interesting but now it has been diluted too much by mudslinging.
There is a saying in Hindi, "Bad achha, badnam bura", which means, "One who is evil is good, but one who is reputed is bad (implicit: even if he is really not evil".
That's the kind of thing happening to me. Whatever I say, MrNiceGuy, Sameer Jamal and company believe that I hate muslims/Islam etc. While all I am really doing is questioning their theories. Putting their belief to the same set of tests that I put my beliefs to. When I ask for an explanation, instead of debating on the points, they start bring 100 other irrelevent points from Hinduism.
As Ravish said, there are 100 bad things about Hinduism. But counting others faults does not reduce your own. (Courtesy Deewar (Shashi Kapoor to Amitabh Bachhan): "Doosron ke paap ginane se apne paap kam nahin ho jaate, bhai".)
I believe that first step to solve a problem is to admit that it exists. In India, people agree that caste system is bad. It is social evil that must be removed and India has adopted measures (affirmative action) to the extent as no other country in the world has dared to adopt.
Devdasi system was bad. But where does it exist now? All over India?? No. It exists only in couple of places where poverty rules. There are tons of other things on which India is progressing.
Anyway, I would ask Mr.NiceGuy and company to come up with straight forward points. What they are trying to prove by quoting 100 websites? If they are posting something in the "discussion forum", they should understand that people will ask questions, people will agree and people will disagree...it is a discussion forum after all!!! If they don't have the guts to defend their platform or if they can't take critisism, then what's the point of posting it here???
I think it would be better to start a new thread and to keep it clean of unnecessary mudslinging.
In any case, let me add some fuel to the fire:
1. If pridicting planatory orbits makes Koran the word of god, then Aryabhatta (476AD) did that before Muhammad.
2. If embryology makes Koran the word of god, then Mahabharata said that 1000s of years before Koran.
3. The concept of "pralay" in Hinduism is well documented and is same as "Ice Age and stuff" that modern science predicts now.
So if you guys are hell bent on scientifying Koran, then there are tons of other books in other religious books that are already in the queue. Koran is the latest of them. Wait in line for your turn


{M^2 standing and applauding] Very well said Paaka! Maybe you should consider a run against GWB in '04.
 
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Pakka desi,
First,You read A Document about Fallacys
[ I deleted the rest of this. I hate to see people use a document about fallacies to prop up their own fallacies. But I left the rest of the message because it refers to my lovely document about fallacies! - Paul Wheaton ]
[ June 30, 2003: Message edited by: Paul Wheaton ]
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
But counting others faults does not reduce your own. (Courtesy Deewar (Shashi Kapoor to Amitabh Bachhan): "Doosron ke paap ginane se apne paap kam nahin ho jaate, bhai".)


If you thinks that your religeon having 1000 bad things including prostitution,it does'nt mean that all other religeons also have bad things.dont think that all other religion will have bad things.
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
But still I would like to know the meaning of God without using any religious word from you.
Yeah, and preferably without using the letters G, O, or D as well. :roll:


Hahahahaah
Good Gawd..
I beleive in God, the Creator, the Creator of this Universe, He is the Supreme and has created all of us.
All of us are here for some prupose. All creatures in this universe are playing their part.
If the purpose of Jesus and Muhammed was to spread words of God then I must be having some purpose also because YOU believe in God and if I am also a child of same God then I must be having a purpose too like you have.
Does God say that a person be killed because he denies my existence. If Yes, then its not God, It must Satan who says to kill the creation of God.
We look for answers in God's words. But have we ever thought that interpretation is our. Our mind is interprating these words of God and as per our convenience.
Its our mind who is seeing the words the way we want it to be.
There is one tree.
If I am lumberjack, I will thanks God and cut the tree.
If I am tired passenger, I will say thanks to God and think to take rest in the shade of tree.
Can you see there is only one tree created by God and one thinks of cutting it and other thinks of resting under its shade.
And both are saying thanks to God.
Its our need which creates God.
Human mind needs someone to blame OR rely in the time of crisis.
Over the time we have come up with proverbs like God helps those who help themselves. I wonder who is God ?? But we belive in God, God the Supreme.
The God is mind which accepts the existence or denial of God.
God is thought which thinks that there is one and only one God.
God is an idea which thinks there are different Gods who are controlling different nature's work.[Should I mention any Greek mythological God's name.
These Gods are nothing but nature]
Is Nature God ?? Nature is God. Nature gives us rain. Nature gives us Sun. Nature has created moon and this Universe.
Have you seen Nature? I have not seen God. Both exist and both are interchangeable.
What is nature? I deny the existence of nature. am I atheist? But I do belive in God.
But its not possible if you believe in nature you have to believe in God and if you believe in God, you cant deny existence of nature.
He, the God has made me to be atheist. Yes, the Almighty God, the God who has created all of us, the Supreme authority does not want me to believe in Him. I am his slave I am following his orders. I am doing what he has written in my faith.
So why cant you accept that the same God whom you think should be worshiped in void and is everywhere then why it cant be in a stone or in idol or in cross or inside YOU.
Mind defines YOU. There is God in mind because God is everywhere.

PS: Jim, there is no reference of any regional book.. These are just random thoughts.
I am not very good in playing with words so I talk straight and plain.
And for me there is no difference in a asshole and one and only one God.
I say sorry, if my earlier words were offensive or hurted anyone.
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
1. If pridicting planatory orbits makes Koran the word of god, then Aryabhatta (476AD) did that before Muhammad.
2. If embryology makes Koran the word of god, then Mahabharata said that 1000s of years before Koran.


You also copied your words from
this book :wink:
 
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Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
But counting others faults does not reduce your own. (Courtesy Deewar (Shashi Kapoor to Amitabh Bachhan): "Doosron ke paap ginane se apne paap kam nahin ho jaate, bhai".)


If your house having full of prostitutes,can you say every house is like yours?.
 
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1.If pridicting planatory orbits makes Koran the word of god, then Aryabhatta (476AD) did that before Muhammad.
 
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1.If pridicting planatory orbits makes Koran the word of god, then Aryabhatta (476AD) did that before Muhammad2. If embryology makes Koran the word of god, then Mahabharata said that 1000s of years before Koran.
We could say may be you have something true in your religion but doesn�t mean you are true (your words came from person and now he is stone as you mentioned in your link .
God send many prophets to the earth not only Jesus and Muhammed and this words came not from me its came from the holy books(Islam Christian and joush )we didn�t hear about some thing called Hindu on other hand we can accept Christian And joush but not whose pray to stone or pennies or asshole.
If the purpose of Jesus and Muhammed was to spread words of God then I must be having some purpose also because YOU believe in God and if I am also a child of same God then I must be having a purpose too like you have.
So I want you to tell me about Hindu (I cant see who is your prophet and I think you have many. may be I can be prophet of your religion just need to develop some statements then you will pray to me

Its our mind who is seeing the words the way we want it to be.
There is one tree.
If I am lumberjack, I will thanks God and cut the tree.
If I am tired passenger, I will say thanks to God and think to take rest in the shade of tree.
Can you see there is only one tree created by God and one thinks of cutting it and other
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I can see how much big your mind so keep thinking in this way
God is not like me and like you or tree or stone or even animal the god mean he can do thinks you cant do. did you ask your self who create that cows or that stone which you are pray to . (mean Almighty God)
He, the God has made me to be atheist. Yes, the Almighty God, the God who has created all of us, the Supreme authority does not want me to believe in Him. I am his slave I am following his orders. I am doing what he has written in my faith.
God didn�t tell or (make you)to be atheist ,god give your nice mind and keep you to choose between the bad things and good things .
why you are atheist = this depends how much your mind is growing.
This truth from the three religion
(Islam Christian and joush )
I didn�t bring any thing from me
 
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Its very shame to make my cows our god at least she does not have mind .
I want your opinions guys about that cows
 
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Jim,
should I reply .. ...
 
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Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
Jim,
should I reply .. ...


Oh,Ravish.you have made a lot of foolish arguments before.You dont have much idea about what you are actually saying.Just have a look on it.

Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
This could be one reason to pray Cow because it gives you milk
For a Dhobi[Laundry man], donkey is God.
Whats wrong in praying to Penis.
[Can you see P of Penis is in caps as G of God is in Caps]
AW regarding smell of Indians[which you might wanted to say Hindus], you should smell us from long because Hindus dont take bath only on Jumma [in dirty word, washing one day Penis is not good enough but taking bath everyday and worshiping Penis is better option ]
And that smell which makes you find Indian is called scent of India
The thing which you have to accept that there is no God .. and you will be the happiest person in this world.
I beleive in God, the Creator, the Creator of this Universe, He is the Supreme and has created all of us.All of us are here for some prupose. All creatures in this universe are playing their part.

 
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I am not try to heart any body here but I am just trying to answer some people.
but we don't pray or godify Bin Ladens. We don't make paedophiles our messenger of god.
We are not pray to bin laden we pray to one good and bin laden one of big number o Muslims pray to god
I need not say much about the condition of women folks in Islam. In India also, life is tough for women but it is a million times better than in Islamic world.
I just came from India before 3 month ago and don�t tell me what I had seen in kerlaa some father lets there daughters married from 6years or 7 years don�t tell me I am liar if you want I can give you every details you need, and many thinks no need to say it her I respect the Moderators
Nobody can give you or take from you a place to heaven. You don't like this god, fine, pray someone else...or what the hell, create your own
As I said god send prophets to us not only one he send many and the end one is mohammed now some people didn�t accept that and start create god see you are create god not god create you so please rethink about your gods again
Hinduism is smart. Our religion does not mix science with god. While your prophets were trying to "dictate" science, Gita talked about philosophy 1000s of years ago.
Mohammed no our god , mohammed our phrpfite and holy box not from mohammed its from god see easy
Your religion stifles innovation by hardcoding rules, promotes hatred of infidels
How you can accept you while you are pray to animal or pines is this make senses to any body
At least if you know you are created by some one make this one respectful not making him your god ,pines or any kind of animals
 
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I am now listening to music want to dance tooo no problem
cheer
 
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Originally posted by <benerves>:
I am now listening to music want to dance tooo no problem
cheer


what abt a shot of drink ...
#) How many wives, your God of messanger, had? May I call him womanizer ??
#) How a true Muslim should treat a woman? Dont rant abt women's right in Islam.
#) What Islam has to say about marriage of messanger of God to 8 yr old girl[I cant call her woman] at the age of 50+ [prev I said 40+]
Would you like marry your sis at the age of 8 to 50 yr old man ?? Neither I wish anyone has to do this.
Oh, I dont know abt 1000 yr back, as you live in that era, but in modern time its a crime, in alomost all the countries [I dont know about Muslim countries].
If muslim countries also think that its crime than they will surely burn in the fire of Hell as your Prophet cant be wrong. He has said words of God, the Almighty.
THere is term for such people .... OK for time being let us call Him, the great prophet of Islam, a child molester.
And you want me, who has brain to think, to belive something said by a person who is child molester. No my conciuos does not allow me to listen because in this world I hate only two things, first is Rape and second is child molestation.
#) What should be done to a infidel ??
#) Praying a stone is bad but kissing is not a form of prayer. It is just a start of Hajj?
[FYI: that is the Penis of Shiva which all of you kiss ]
#) God is everywhere but you should always pray by facing Kaba ? [What a contradiction ??]
If you want some site links about your true Islam then please do tell me, when I can give definition of God above than religion then I can give the links of Your one and only God's true definition also.
I am more fanatic Hindu than you can think of yourself being a fanatic Muslim.
I believe in God as much as I dont belive in Him.
This philosphy you wont understand as Your God forgot to say this by the mouth of a child molestor.
 
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Originally posted by <Mr Nice Guy>:
I am asking a straightforward questien to you.Where i provided the 100 facts about hinduism?.Can you even bring one?.


You are too busy in dancing
[Somebody needs to learn how to engage in civil debate. Edited by moderator to remove questionable content.]
Looks like you have not followed the link of the book.
Alas that all done by human, not by the Almighty Allah.
[ June 30, 2003: Message edited by: Jason Menard ]
 
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Ravish wins the prize.
 
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