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Originally posted by John Dunn:
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So IMO, lumping blonde-jokes in with all the other issues women or other victim groups face actually does not do them any justice.
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:
My point is that, yes, the damage done by a joke is small, but at the very least it perpetuates and reinforces an unhelpful stereotype that woman are currently still struggling against. Is that so controversial? Can't we laugh or joke or have fun without perpetuating stereotypes? Isn't humor possible without insulting groups of people?
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
The real difference of opinion here is what forms of humor constitute an insult, not whether humor is possible without it. Several people here want to draw a line they feel personally comfortable with.
You could ask everyone to be nice and funny at the same time. Hold hands, be best friends all that. Nurture each other, help each other, understand each other share. Maybe some gentle sobbing together.
We could all be sincere, warm, generous, open-hearted souls, intent on making the world a better place in every thought and action. Lambs of God and all that. Just like you and I have been trying to do all this time, Herb.
Or you could wake up from that little dream of yours and recognize there's far more to life that we don't understand than we do. You could accept that people use humor all the time to cope with that. You could accept that between love and hate there's a ton of middle ground, and trying to drive all people to either pole all the time has little to do with the reality of the human condition.
Saints and sinners all come from the same pool of talent as the rest of us, Herb. If you're about tolerance, why not learn how to tolerate what you deem intolerable behavior? There's some real homework for ya.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Political correctness is neither conservative nor liberal. It's just a form for limiting speech within a boundary one person thinks other people think is acceptable for all the people to think.
Pleading for "kinder, gentler" anything is and has been conservative dogma for more than a decade. At its heart is an attempt to repress speech that operates on the periphery, rather than the norm, of social tastes.
Nothing you have said on this point amounts to a progressive viewpoint, Herb. It's just another way of imposing your own sensibilities on what other people should be allowed to say.
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Does this mean that I can't tell any "Man Jokes" anymore??
Tim Allen (the TV guy, not our own Tim ) made alot of people laugh by playing off the stereotype of the "typical man". Nobody accused HIM of being policically incorrect.
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Do blonde jokes oppress women? Absolutely!
If you want my site to be absolutely un-offensive, I think my site will quickly become a ghost town.
In the case of these blonde jokes: Well, let's say they do five units of harm and fifty units of good. Therefore, the good outweighs the bad. They stay.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
5. If #4 [humor without insulting and harmfull sterotype] is possible, it is to be preferred over
#2 and #3 [insulting and harmful stereotypes humor].
Michael Ernest: Not ok.
6. It is permissable to publicy advocate #5.
Ernest: JavaRanch is not a public forum in the sense of the word you are invoking. It is not a "free" space managed for all people to exercise their right to speak freely. It is not a common, governmentally-maintained trust. It may operate on those shared principles to some degree. It may seek the input of its subscribers and change its own policies to meet the needs of those subscribers or serve at their pleasure. But JavaRanch is not a public square. Why do you insist of language that makes it into something it is not?
HS: What's wrong with asking people to be nice for heavens sake?
ME: From my perspective? You've already heard it.
Herb Slocumb:
Ok, I just happen to have a value system more Jesus/Buddha like, where if harming others can be avoided, I think it should be.
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Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Well, we'll have to leave it at, I still see nothing wrong in requesting for people to be considerate.
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Did Jesus tell Blonde jokes?
Did Buddha?
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Nothing is wrong in asking other people to act in a manner in which you feel is considerate. Falsely accusing people of racism, and generally handling the situation in an insulting and condescending manner seems to be a little bit off the mark from a simple request for people to be considerate however.
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Did Jesus tell Blonde jokes?
Did Buddha?
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
After all, a joke is just a parable with a twist .
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Originally posted by Michael Morris:
Yes, and I would suggest that Herb check out a copy of the "Life of Bryan" and take the advice of my signature at the bottom.
Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
After all, a joke is just a parable with a twist .
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
I would imagine that if they told a blonde joke, or heard a blonde joke, it would most likely not be recorded.
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
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Let's see, it appears there is no measured harm (just hypothetical harm). [QB]
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
As a victim of the US public school system, I cannot read Latin and consider myself lucky to read English.
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
I guess all the women I know are not threatened by this form of humor.
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
... women can be catty...
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Originally posted by Marilyn de Queiroz:
Only women?
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Do blonde jokes oppress women? Absolutely!
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
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How many of the women you know are natural blondes?
What does it matter? As I've repeatedly explained, I think that hair color is a non issue.
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
(women can be catty)
Wow! Talk about being opressive to women!
Originally posted by herb slocomb:
Laughing, its a woman thing, they don't know what their doing.
Dude, I think you're digging your own grave here. I think the jokes aren't nearly as harsh as the things you've said here. And there was some side benefit to the jokes. I think you had better start apologizing like crazy or you're gonna catch hell!
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