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Our old discussion about Ghazals.
 
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Originally posted by Rita Moore:


Ghazals are not only in India!!! India has long history before it became india. Ghasals are spread through almost all Central Asia.
One thing I admit, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal... hold on to traditions stronger than many other countries in Asia.

And Russian speaking doesn't mean he/she is actually russian or even have been to Russia ever. Russian speaking nowadays means usually that the person was born in one of USSR countries. All those counries have their own language and culture, some of those cultures are much closer to indian than to russian.

By the way, in Russian, Ghazal is called "Gazel'" - which is also animal, but I'm pretty sure some russians (who were born and raised in Russia)have heard of them.



I was only aware of ghazal in Hindustani traditon only. There are fixed rules for refrain,meter and rhyme in Ghazal (urdu/hindi). Are there similar rules for other languages?
 
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Apologies, Rita. I guess I made the same mistake that my fellow Indians from the North (India) make about those in the South (They call anyone from South Madrasi ).
I meant 'one of the former USSR states' when i said 'Russian'. Time to go and get my geography updated.
 
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Originally posted by soumya ravindranath:
Apologies, Rita. I guess I made the same mistake that my fellow Indians from the North (India) make about those in the South (They call anyone from South Madrasi ).
I meant 'one of the former USSR states' when i said 'Russian'. Time to go and get my geography updated.



Does calling a non-Russian ex-USSR citizen "Russian" have the same perceived insult level as calling a Canadian American?

Not that I'm saying its an insult of course, its just that just about every Canadian I've known gets annoyed at being called American. I suppose its the same with the Kiwis and the Aussies.
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Originally posted by Joe King:


Does calling a non-Russian ex-USSR citizen "Russian" have the same perceived insult level as calling a Canadian American?

Not that I'm saying its an insult of course, its just that just about every Canadian I've known gets annoyed at being called American. I suppose its the same with the Kiwis and the Aussies.



It's ok when people call me russian, that's the language I speak, but I think the fact that they call me russian leads to all other associations with Russia. People ask if we get lots of snow back home, and they keep thinking everyone in USSR has russian culture and looks. I don't blame anyone for that, but it is different. I grew up in asian culture, we also had Ghazals(noone listens to them, though), our national dishes are Kabob, Polov (Pilaf), Non (Nan)..
Maybe pictures can explain, here are some




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I have collegue who as 100% german name, speaks better russian than german and looks like afgan Taliban, if he hasn't shaped for 3 days. He's from city called Duschambe (spelling is incorrect) near eastern part of China.
 
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