Rapist gets life

[Adeel Ansari]

Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:
And hence no religion or reliious beliefs should advocate what ppl should do 1000 years after it has been written. Just my thoughts...

Yes its already written. You can visit IRF link under my signature. There you will find an article named as, "The Qur'an and Modern Science: Compatible or Incompatible". You can read that.

I am person of old age, approximately 1400+ years old.
I believe those laws strongly, more then Newtons Law of Motion. And I believe those laws are for all the time. But its me and all who are like me.

Its just about beliefs and thoughts. Never mind, if you people have conflicts with my thoughts. Not new, most people used to have.

But I think I am a nice man. What you say?

Thanks.

[Arjunkumar Shastry]

Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:
Can you people say something on my post at May 10, 2005 12:11 AM??
Why we say the term "wife swapping" why not "husband swapping"?

I think you must have heard thid from men.Women will always say "husband swapping" and husbands will say "wife swapping"

What punishment you suggest for one who stared at a woman without her permission?

I think it depends on total time of staring.In India its common to stare for about 2/3 seconds.In other countries it may not be.More than 2/3 seconds it may create problems.Women can complaint ofcourse and man can be arrested.

[Adeel Ansari]

Originally posted by Arjunkumar Shastry:
Women can complaint ofcourse and man can be arrested.

Only can be wished.

[Ashish Chopra]

Hi,

After reading the 82-odd posts on this topic, I think there are some things that need to be clearly stated:

1. Woman deserve freedom to wear what they want, but then there are limits to everything. Who decides those limits? Well again, its a personal decision. Some women are more comfortable wearing the Hijab while others are not! So it's very much a matter of personal choice.
2. Woman (for that matter even men) must not be objectified. And that's what the media needs to stop doing now. Read this on the ranch "Classes must be made into objects, women must not!"
3. Just because someone is wearing less clothes does not give others the right to violate the person.
4. Beauty deserves to be admired, not desecrated.
5. Every person has a right to his/her body. And so (s)he can deny having physical relationships(even being married does not give you the right to your spouse's body).

Death penalty for a rapist, in my opinion, is very lenient. The rapist is freed, but the victim suffers for the rest of her life. The rapists punishment must also be something that makes him suffer equally, rather more than what the victim is suffering. And the victim must not be treated as an outcast, it was never the poor girl's fault anyway.

[Arjunkumar Shastry]

Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:

Only can be wished.

Women do complain.I agree many countries including India have poor record of giving justice to women in case of rape,sexual exploitation.In cases of rape,only 60 to 75% of criminals get convicted.As somebody said many rapes done by men relatives go unnoticed.Women don't compplain out of social fear.

[Manish Hatwalne]

Depending on the society, women do enjoy harmless stare. Known some friends who'd be jealous becaus eguy wouldn't stare at them. Isn't that natural/normal?? Some stares/looks could be flattering...

- Manish

[Angela Poynton]

Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:

What punishment you suggest for one who stared at a woman without her permission?

What punishment you suggest for one who passed a flying kiss to woman without her permission?

No punishment for either because to look or "blow a kiss" to someone will not infringe on their personal space, or mean that person is touching them.

I've said before I have a large chest ... men look at me all the time, I'd rather they looked at me because they think I'm attractive than just because of my breasts but I don't think they should be punished for it. My boyfriend doesn't mind either, but if any other man tried to touch me inappropriately it would be a completely different mater. It's natural to look, it's natural to feel desire and arousal there's nothing wrong with that. Things only go wrong when you act on those feelings in a bad way.

[achit bhatnagar]

Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:

Besides rape, religion, and nationality. My perception is if woman doesn't cover herself, her body parts, then she would always be objectified by this world.[...]

I dont want woman as an object therefore I vote for Hijab.

If our objective is to keep women away from lustful gaze of men.
Men should raise their eyes only in the presence of their wife or start wearing a blindfold.
[ May 11, 2005: Message edited by: achit bhatnagar ]

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
No punishment for either because to look or "blow a kiss" to someone will not infringe on their personal space, or mean that person is touching them.

Sometime back I read article in The Week magazine.

I could not understand what she (Shobha De) wanted to say? Was it about child assault or was it about visual assualt ?

And now as per Angela, visual assault(eve-teasing) does not exist at all ?

Or is eve-teasing really only applicable in asia or better say south-asia ?

http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/eve_teasing/
http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/EVETEASING

dictionary.com does not have entry for eve-teasing
[ May 11, 2005: Message edited by: R K Singh ]

[Nimai Etheridge]

by attempting to lessen the guilt of a rapist by shifting the blame on to what the woman was wearing you are almost condoning the actions of the rapist. both men and women have similar urges when it comes to sex, and if you're going to require that women cover up to stop men from desiring them, you should be requiring the same for men, whether or not they are less likely to get raped...it's only fair after all...

how about instead of blaming what the women was wearing, you start blaming the men who don't have the level of self control and respect for their fellow humans to stop and think about the harm they're about to commit.

anyway,

i think when natural urges are repressed and the human body is considered evil, then things like rape are more likely to occur. people always lust more after what they don't have, and by repressing the antidote to those lusts, you're increasing the likely hood that they are going to be acting on in a violent manner.

it seems to me that it's a mistake to think that by removing the object of your desires, that your desire is somehow removed as well...as desire itself is wanting what you don't have...

sure natalie portman is hot, but every day i walk down the street in australia, i see beautiful women, and while i enjoy the sight, it's hardly an earth shattering, brain imploding event...however it might be a different matter if all the women in australia had to wear veils.

i saw a study that compared the level of sexual repression to the levels of violence, domestic abuse and depression in a society and came back with a very resounding link between the two...i'd find the name of it, but i'm at work right now.

40 days and 40 nights is hardly an accurate depiction of reality, neither are commercials which are designed to play on your desires...if you are using these examples to base your ideals on, then i think you need to rethink some of them.

[Sonny Gill]

Originally posted by R K Singh:


And now as per Angela, visual assault(eve-teasing) does not exist at all ?

Or is eve-teasing really only applicable in asia or better say south-asia ?

One reason is cultural. In the west, checking out a woman will not be considered offensive, as long as it is not blatantly obvious that you are mentally underssing her. Although it does depend somewhat on where you are, you wouldnt be checking out sister of a friend you are visiting.

The other reason, IMO, is the difference in how secure or self confident western women feel compared to Asian/Indian woman. In India, eve-teasing, if left unchecked, could give the impression that the woman is easy (slutty) and could lead to a more serious offence. So, women are more sensitive about it.

In many cases, what is called eve teasing in India, would be considered harmless flirting in a western country, because the girl can put a stop to it when she wants.

[Sonny Gill]

New Delhi blogger on people's attitudes towards (women) rape -
http://kamleshksingh.blogspot.com/2005/05/are-we-really-that-sick.html

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by achit bhatnagar:



If our objective is to keep women away from lustful gaze of men.
Men should raise their eyes only in the presence of their wife or start wearing a blindfold.

[ May 11, 2005: Message edited by: achit bhatnagar ]

Wow!!! I couldn't have put it in better words...

- Manish

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by Sonny Gill:


One reason is cultural. In the west, checking out a woman will not be considered offensive, as long as it is not blatantly obvious that you are mentally underssing her. Although it does depend somewhat on where you are, you wouldnt be checking out sister of a friend you are visiting.

The other reason, IMO, is the difference in how secure or self confident western women feel compared to Asian/Indian woman. In India, eve-teasing, if left unchecked, could give the impression that the woman is easy (slutty) and could lead to a more serious offence. So, women are more sensitive about it.

In many cases, what is called eve teasing in India, would be considered harmless flirting in a western country, because the girl can put a stop to it when she wants.

I generally agree with what u r saying, but India is not a monolithic society as you (apparently) imply -- which it is not. It's quite different in north/delhi ad it's quite different in Pune/Mumbai.

- Manish
[ May 11, 2005: Message edited by: Manish Hatwalne ]

[john wesley]

Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:

Human beings are different. They can be recognized by finger prints also. Face is also gets change with the age, by make up, change in style; like shorten your hairs. We usually cant identify a person we saw 10 years back.

Another classic case of religious people (Christians, Muslims, Jewish) twisting facts, science, history and almost anything to suite their needs.

Extremely sorry for you Adeed, with all this zeal, energy and enthusiasm you could have proved Einstein wrong, could have founded Adeeds theory of relativity ...but sadly you chose to spend your energy on something very redundant and indefensible.

I visited irf.net some five years back, one of my Muslim friend forwarded the link, and I visited it today ...and believe me it has not changed eve a bit � no new additions at all, so true to the concept of religion.

Honest suggestion: please read, read more, and read from different sources.
For example :
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074324785X/qid=1115876897/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0664616-0285550?v=glance&s=books] BOOK

PS: Adeed, I mean no disrespect to your beliefs. Honestly
[ May 12, 2005: Message edited by: john wesley ]

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Sonny Gill:
In many cases, what is called eve teasing in India, would be considered harmless flirting in a western country, because the girl can put a stop to it when she wants.

I dont think pointing to oneself's penis in public[thats also at tourist spot], and emulating coupling by shaking buttocks and then pointing to a girl[vulgarly] can be thought of decent act or any female can enjoy it ?

If a female can enjoy this then really something is wrong with me.

Everytime I been there[4-5 times, to change the bus] I found there would be some notorious guy, doing some extreme eve-teasing.
But good that "eve-teasing" term does not exist in dictionary.

I think some people would abuse freedom whereever they are.
I dont know why public or police does not do anything for these miscreants.
I am sure they must be abusing freedom of expression.

PS: Its NOT normal, and till now I have seen this kind of eve-teasing at that place ONLY. So its exceptional case.
Seriously that word deserve to NOT be in dictionary.
Again its extremly rare.
But why to abuse the expression of freedom. I think one needs a line.
[ May 11, 2005: Message edited by: R K Singh ]

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:
We usually cant identify a person we saw 10 years back.

Thanks to John

I met one of my childhood friend after 12 yrs. I went to recieve him at Railway station. And believe me it did not take more than 1 second to recognise him. [I never saw his face in those 12 yrs.. not a single photo].

AW we are already deviating from main thread.

[Sonny Gill]

Originally posted by R K Singh:

I dont think pointing to oneself's penis in public[thats also at tourist spot]
...

As I said In many cases ...

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Sonny Gill:

As I said In many cases ...

yaa.. sadly .. still looking for perfect world

I think it exists only in fairy tales ....